Hi,
There is no Panzer 35t model for the invasion of Poland!? Will there be one soon?
:'(
Page 116 German Army - Early War.
I think it's the model, not the rules that's being requested here ;).
Yes, its an actual model that I mean. I was just about to organise a purchase for the blitzkrieg battles starting with Poland and I couldn't find a model of the Panzer 35t listed anywhere?
Hello Mesius
Pithead makes a 35t but it is one of their special models so it depends on how much you've dealt with them. Shapeways has some but very expensive, Wulf is working on some 3d printed models and the 35t may be included http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18333.15.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18333.15.html) Fairy Kikaku from HLJ https://hlj.com/1-144-scale-yugoslavia-1945-1-firm074 (https://hlj.com/1-144-scale-yugoslavia-1945-1-firm074) sells a 35t but you have to buy three other tanks
(https://hlj.com/media/catalog/product/cache/image/700x700/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/f/i/firm074_0.jpg)
There's also a resin model from a 3d printed master on eBay - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-144-WWII-German-Panzer-35-t-Light-Tank-Resin-Kit/264281497777?hash=item3d8867a0b1:g:y84AAOSw2m9cpNW7 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-144-WWII-German-Panzer-35-t-Light-Tank-Resin-Kit/264281497777?hash=item3d8867a0b1:g:y84AAOSw2m9cpNW7)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/y84AAOSw2m9cpNW7/s-l1600.jpg)
About £6.76 and £3.07 postage for one but postage drops to £0.38 for each additional tank.
Not much joy.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 21 April 2019, 01:23:46 AMWulf is working on some 3d printed models and the 35t may be included
The problem isn't printing them, the problem is getting the camera to focus on them...
(https://oi1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah199/WulfC/Pz35t_zps3wunyscf.jpg) (https://s1380.photobucket.com/user/WulfC/media/Pz35t_zps3wunyscf.jpg.html)
The shapeways ones are better, mine have visible layers on all sloping surfaces ( the engine deck on the 35 & 38 are really bad for this), my MG barrels have flat tops, and everything looks kind of... rounded. However, mine cost about 6p for the pair, if that...
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 21 April 2019, 01:23:46 AM
Fairy Kikaku from HLJ https://hlj.com/1-144-scale-yugoslavia-1945-1-firm074 (https://hlj.com/1-144-scale-yugoslavia-1945-1-firm074) sells a 35t but you have to buy three other tanks
If you've never tackled one of their minis before, be aware, Fairy Kikaku resin cast minis are.. problematic...
I have loads. They're lovely. Just... problematic...
Butler 3d Print do one, just ask for it in 10mm and he'll oblige:
https://www.butlersprintedmodels.co.uk/10/12-mm/ww2/german/panzer-35-t.html
Mark
Quote from: sultanbev on 21 April 2019, 09:57:46 PM
Butler 3d Print do one, just ask for it in 10mm and he'll oblige:
https://www.butlersprintedmodels.co.uk/10/12-mm/ww2/german/panzer-35-t.html
The BPM one is OK, it was one of the FDM printed minis that persuaded me that home 3d printing could produce useable 10mm scale minis. If you would find mine, pictured above, acceptable, then theirs will be too.
Quote from: Wulf on 21 April 2019, 12:42:37 PM
The shapeways ones are better, mine have visible layers on all sloping surfaces ( the engine deck on the 35 & 38 are really bad for this), my MG barrels have flat tops, and everything looks kind of... rounded.
Out of interest, how long are they taking in the printer? I keep looking at the Shapeways/Butlers ones and wondering how the speed / detail balances out.
Butler will turn out 50 vehicle orders within 4 days, so must be pretty quick, or he has a lot of printers.....
Mark
Quote from: Leon on 21 April 2019, 11:56:18 PM
Out of interest, how long are they taking in the printer? I keep looking at the Shapeways/Butlers ones and wondering how the speed / detail balances out.
Depends on a load of factors. I'm currently printing 3 Open Blitz trucks & a Pz II Luchs, it's taking about 8 hours. 2 hours a mini is about right for detailed prints, I just ran a single Pz 35(t) through my software and it says 1 hour 54 mins with my standard settings for minis (which, I'll grant you, change virtually every print...). I'm setting up a print for an entire ruined factory (in sections, total ground area around a foot by 8 inches, walls only, no roof) and it'll take 15 hours, because I'm printing with much lower definition.
Read the whole sorry saga here...
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18333.0.html
Quote from: sultanbev on 22 April 2019, 12:23:40 AM
Butler will turn out 50 vehicle orders within 4 days, so must be pretty quick, or he has a lot of printers.....
He must have a bank of printers. Working them 24 hours a day he could produce maybe 20 a day on one printer - although that is quite feasible since I regularly leave a half dozen to print while I'm at work, or overnight.
Quote from: Wulf on 21 April 2019, 12:49:52 PM
If you've never tackled one of their minis before, be aware, Fairy Kikaku resin cast minis are.. problematic...
I have loads. They're lovely. Just... problematic...
;D ;D Got to agree about Fairy Kikaku, very 'Fairy Kikaku' is the way to describe them, rivets the size of dinner plates (exaggeration), track casting in two halves but interesting subjects none the less.
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 22 April 2019, 12:40:04 AMbut interesting subjects none the less.
Some absolutely bloody fascinating subjects! Who else does Japanese Antarctic Expedition Snowmobiles in 10mm scale?
Quote from: Wulf on 22 April 2019, 12:31:57 AM
Read the whole sorry saga here...
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18333.0.html
I've just had a read of that, sounds like a fun process! We get simiilar glitches on our laser machine at times, when the laser head just decides to shift itself by a mm or two and it throws out the rest of the job. Sometimes it's a corrupted file, sometimes one of the belts has snagged slightly and pulled the laser head wonky, sometimes it's just a gremlin somewhere...! I imagine the added 3rd dimension on your printer throws up all kinds of interesting bugs!
The times on these prints is the one thing that makes me wonder whether it'll ever become a viable production method. The material costs are excellent and much lower than metal, but nearly 2 hours per vehicle is miles away from commercial production times. On our most efficient moulds we can knock out about 4 vehicles per spin and around 15 spins per hour, so you're looking at 60 vehicles per hour on a good day. The SLA printers look to have the detail level required but the times on those are even longer. We're keeping an eye on it for producing masters though, that's a definite possibility.
A lot depends upon the type of printer and the material used. For masters you can get astonishing levels of detail using printers used by the jewelry trade; the downside is that the materials are not stable nor durable. For durability you then go to the printers that Wulf uses which are, shall we say, problematic in terms of reliability, consistency etc. In all of the this, the more expensive machines tend to be better, but not always, with them become obselete relatively quickly as new machines come onto the market, companies go bust or no simply longer support them.
Another thing to remember is the set up time which can be quick if you have good cad data, or a pain in the butt (and expensive in terms of man hours) if not. Also the clean up time, sundry equipment and materials are a big overhead to bear in mind.
I think the best route going forward at present would be to print some high quality tooling masters, from which to make production tools. Things may change but in the 20+ years I've been using rapid prototype parts, I've seen nothing yet that would beat metal tanks in terms of durability overtime.
Quote from: Leon on 22 April 2019, 03:06:34 AM
The times on these prints is the one thing that makes me wonder whether it'll ever become a viable production method.
One of the major issues is simply rigidity. If the print head moves around too much too fast it makes the whole printer - and the table, if it's not solid enough - vibrate, and that causes issues. If everything holds together, you get 'ripples' or 'echoes' in the surface of the print (I get those, you can see them in the sides of the tracked tractor with my 203mm guns), but sometimes it screws up the print entirely with the print head misaligning. Slower speeds cause less issues, but take more time.
Quote from: Steve J on 22 April 2019, 07:15:29 AM
I think the best route going forward at present would be to print some high quality tooling masters, from which to make production tools. Things may change but in the 20+ years I've been using rapid prototype parts, I've seen nothing yet that would beat metal tanks in terms of durability overtime.
One thing I've not seen much on is the fact that PLA is bio-degradable. You won't be passing these on as family heirlooms... I have no idea how long the models will last under normal use, but it's a potential factor.