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Title: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Leon on 10 April 2019, 10:38:28 PM
After the release of Blitzkrieg Commander IV this past weekend, we've now got a selection of Starter army deals to get you going with your new rules!  

All of these packs contain a standard set of contents:

1 x CO/HQ unit (5 figures)
6 x Infantry units (30 figures)
1 x Mortars unit (3 mortars with crews)
1 x MG unit (3 MG teams)
1 x AT unit (usually 2 guns with crews)
1 x Armoured Car unit
5 x Armour units
1 x Transport unit


These give a nice selection to get you started and playing some games, and you can then add on some extra units ready for bigger games, so some more command, larger artillery, maybe some Recce units, etc.  Our initial release includes:

- American, Italy
- American, NW Europe
- British, BEF
- British, Africa
- British, NW Europe
- French
- German, Early
- German, Africa
- German, Italy
- German, Eastern Front
- German, NW Europe
- Italian, North Africa
- Polish
- Russian, Early
- Russian, Late


... all priced at £31.00, saving roughly 10% compared to buying the packs individually.  These are all available on the website here: https://pendraken.co.uk/world-war-ii/bkc-iv-starter-packs/ and we'll have them with us at the shows as well!


(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4588/BKC-AM-IT.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4589/BKC-AM-NWE.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4590/BKC-BR-BEF.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4592/BKC-BR-AF.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4591/BKC-BR-NWE.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4593/BKC-FR.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4594/BKC-GE-EA.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4598/BKC-GE-AF.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4595/BKC-GE-IT.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4596/BKC-GE-EF.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4597/BKC-GE-NWE.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4599/BKC-IT-AF.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4602/BKC-POL.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4600/BKC-RU-EA.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4601/BKC-RU-LA.jpg)
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: fred. on 10 April 2019, 11:08:48 PM
Nice!

If you are including 2 AT gun models I'd describe that as 2 x AT units. I don't think I've ever put 2 AT guns on a base.
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Orcs on 10 April 2019, 11:23:22 PM
Quote from: fred. on 10 April 2019, 11:08:48 PM
Nice!

If you are including 2 AT gun models I'd describe that as 2 x AT units. I don't think I've ever put 2 AT guns on a base.
Likewise the Mortars and MG units, we use 30mm square bases and only have one model on each

Good basic armies though,
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: sultanbev on 11 April 2019, 11:07:45 AM
"If you are including 2 AT gun models I'd describe that as 2 x AT units. I don't think I've ever put 2 AT guns on a base.
Likewise the Mortars and MG units, we use 30mm square bases and only have one model on each"


Seconded, I only put one mortar, MMG or ATG per base,

Mark
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 11 April 2019, 12:58:46 PM
No universal carriers in the British lists  :o :o :o
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Raider4 on 11 April 2019, 01:35:46 PM
And no Tigers in the German lists :o. You'll never sell any like that . . . 


Actually, I think this is an excellent idea, and I hope it works out for you. Must admit I'm tempted by the early war BEF/Germans.
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Raider4 on 11 April 2019, 03:51:43 PM
Actually, one thing does seem odd. In the British Africa list you have A13s and Grants.

By the time the Grants arrive, it would be more likely to be alongside Crusaders rather than the A13, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: sultanbev on 11 April 2019, 04:05:25 PM
"By the time the Grants arrive, it would be more likely to be alongside Crusaders rather than the A13, wouldn't it?"

Good point, it should be Vickers VIB alongside A-13s, Crusader II alongside Grants.

Perhaps there should be
1940 British in desert, with 2x A-13, Rolls-Royce or Morris CS9 armoured car, 3x  Vickers VIB
late 1941 British in desert with 2x Crusader II, 3x Stuart M3, Humber armoured car
mid 1942 British in desert with 2x Grants, 2x Crusader II, 1x Crusader III, Humber armoured car
late 1942 British in desert with 2x Sherman, 2x Grant, 1x Crusader II, Daimler armoured car, 6pdr 30cwt portee

Mark
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: fsn on 11 April 2019, 04:16:03 PM
Bloomin' cruisers, swanning all round the place, with yer fancy Christie suspension and your armour thin enough to spit through.

Where's the Matildas and the Valentines? Some proper, dignified tanks with a bit of a shell and not too fast as to spill yer cuppa?





Oh Dark Lord! Thou hast taken on something that even thine light-less powers cannot overcome - the idea of making everyone happy.
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Leon on 11 April 2019, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: fred. on 10 April 2019, 11:08:48 PM
If you are including 2 AT gun models I'd describe that as 2 x AT units. I don't think I've ever put 2 AT guns on a base.

Quote from: Orcs on 10 April 2019, 11:23:22 PM
Likewise the Mortars and MG units, we use 30mm square bases and only have one model on each

I think that's a bit of personal preference though, we've put 3 mortars/teams on our BKC demo armies and they fit nicely.  We can tell folks that they're getting 'at least' 1 unit but could stretch them out to 2 or 3 depending on their basing.

Quote from: ianrs54 on 11 April 2019, 12:58:46 PM
No universal carriers in the British lists  :o :o :o

You can always buy them separately!

Quote from: Raider4 on 11 April 2019, 01:35:46 PM
And no Tigers in the German lists :o. You'll never sell any like that . . .  

We tried to stick to the workhorse armour types, as per the feedback on our 'Standardised vs Points' thread.

Quote from: Raider4 on 11 April 2019, 03:51:43 PM
Actually, one thing does seem odd. In the British Africa list you have A13s and Grants.

By the time the Grants arrive, it would be more likely to be alongside Crusaders rather than the A13, wouldn't it?

There was a bit of discussion involved in that one, as the A13s and Grants are newer models so we wanted to use those rather than older ones.

Quote from: sultanbev on 11 April 2019, 04:05:25 PM
Perhaps there should be
1940 British in desert, with 2x A-13, Rolls-Royce or Morris CS9 armoured car, 3x  Vickers VIB
late 1941 British in desert with 2x Crusader II, 3x Stuart M3, Humber armoured car
mid 1942 British in desert with 2x Grants, 2x Crusader II, 1x Crusader III, Humber armoured car
late 1942 British in desert with 2x Sherman, 2x Grant, 1x Crusader II, Daimler armoured car, 6pdr 30cwt portee

I think we'd be letting ourselves in for no end of trouble if we start making that many for each nation/theatre!  Maybe in the longer term but these should give people a nice start for now.

Quote from: fsn on 11 April 2019, 04:16:03 PM
Oh Dark Lord! Thou hast taken on something that even thine light-less powers cannot overcome - the idea of making everyone happy.


Indeed!
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Shedman on 11 April 2019, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: Leon on 11 April 2019, 05:39:31 PM
I think we'd be letting ourselves in for no end of trouble if we start making that many for each nation/theatre!

So I guess that's a no-go for a starter pack for Finland during the Winter War 1939, December, 23rd,  Saturday, just before lunchtime?
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: sultanbev on 11 April 2019, 07:03:37 PM
Quote from: Shedman on 11 April 2019, 06:58:48 PM
So I guess that's a no-go for a starter pack for Finland during the Winter War 1939, December, 23rd,  Saturday, just before lunchtime?

No, but I can write you the army list......
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Dr Dave on 11 April 2019, 07:57:08 PM
British NWE - no Firefly?
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 12 April 2019, 09:32:32 AM
Dave - as the individual model would normally represent a troop, best thing to do is add a factor or two.
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Dave Fielder on 12 April 2019, 03:27:34 PM
But, but , but ... where is the Sardinian Army for the siege of Malteser? I want Leyland trucks in my army list with extra pillows.
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Orcs on 12 April 2019, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 11 April 2019, 03:51:43 PM
Actually, one thing does seem odd. In the British Africa list you have A13s and Grants.

By the time the Grants arrive, it would be more likely to be alongside Crusaders rather than the A13, wouldn't it?

Yep this is a marketing ploy by the Dark Lord. :D (although I know that's not Pendrakens style,-  But you have to take the chance to poke fun where you can )

When you buy this pack you need to buy 3 crusaders to go with the Grants, and 3 Mk V1's to go with the A13's.  so he sells another 6 tanks  ;D ;D

Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Dave Fielder on 14 April 2019, 07:09:34 PM
Rivets 'r us: http://theminiaturespage.com/news/talk/msg.mv?id=245126542 (http://theminiaturespage.com/news/talk/msg.mv?id=245126542) ... can't believe the Pz2E was suggested and not the Pz3F!! I'll not sleep all night thinking about this.
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Orcs on 14 April 2019, 08:22:32 PM
Quote from: Dave Fielder on 14 April 2019, 07:09:34 PM
Rivets 'r us: http://theminiaturespage.com/news/talk/msg.mv?id=245126542 (http://theminiaturespage.com/news/talk/msg.mv?id=245126542) ... can't believe the Pz2E was suggested and not the Pz3F!! I'll not sleep all night thinking about this.

The differences mentioned on Wikipedia, not the most reliable scource I know

Panzer II Ausf. F
Continuing the conventional design of the Ausf. C, the Ausf. F superstructure front was made from a single piece of armour plate with a redesigned visor. Also, a dummy visor was placed next to it to confuse enemy gunners. The hull was redesigned with a flat 35 mm (1.4 in) plate on its front, and the armour of the superstructure and turret were built up to 30 mm (1.2 in) on the front with 15 mm (0.59 in) to the sides and rear. There was some minor alteration of the suspension and a new commander's cupola as well. Weight increased to 9.5 tonnes. From March 1941 to December 1942, 524 were built; this was the final major tank version of the Panzer II series.

If you can really spot any of this  at 3 feet in 10mm  I would be surprised.   As you say some people need to get a life  :)



Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: sultanbev on 14 April 2019, 08:30:57 PM
Ah, the Panzer IIE was a completely different tank, with large road wheels, same as the Panzer IID, that was later used as the basis for the Flammpanzer II. It was never used in North Africa.

http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Images/1-Vehicles/01-Light_Tanks/Panzer2/Pz2-Ausf.DE/p1.jpg

Which was probably why the TMP-er was so aroused, it was a bit more than anal rivet counting

Mark
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Orcs on 14 April 2019, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: sultanbev on 14 April 2019, 08:30:57 PM
Ah, the Panzer IIE was a completely different tank, with large road wheels, same as the Panzer IID, that was later used as the basis for the Flammpanzer II. It was never used in North Africa.

http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Images/1-Vehicles/01-Light_Tanks/Panzer2/Pz2-Ausf.DE/p1.jpg

Which was probably why the TMP-er was so aroused, it was a bit more than anal rivet counting

Mark

I see your point.
Title: Re: BKC-IV Starter Armies released!
Post by: Raider4 on 14 April 2019, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: sultanbev on 14 April 2019, 08:30:57 PM
Ah, the Panzer IIE was a completely different tank, with large road wheels, same as the Panzer IID, that was later used as the basis for the Flammpanzer II. It was never used in North Africa.

http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Images/1-Vehicles/01-Light_Tanks/Panzer2/Pz2-Ausf.DE/p1.jpg

Which was probably why the TMP-er was so aroused, it was a bit more than anal rivet counting

Mark

And, as he pointed out, Pendraken only make the F version. Didn't come across as aroused to me, just pointing out a minor error in the army list?