Pendraken Miniatures Forum

Wider Wargaming => General Discussion => Topic started by: grahambeyrout on 23 March 2019, 02:36:29 PM



Title: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: grahambeyrout on 23 March 2019, 02:36:29 PM
My very first wargaming in pre Airfix days was using homemade cardboard ships of the Napoleonic era to recreate Hornblowers's battles. His exploits inspired me to choose that period. Later. when I started ancients in the WRG days I started with Assyrian and Early Byzantine armies, not sure why, although I probably decided the rules favoured them. Then by chance, I read "Elephants and Castles" by Alfred Duggan, and immediatly found myself selling off my existing armies  and buying elephants and phalanxes. I did not give a hoot how effective or otherwise they were, I was hooked. Later, it was the films Kagemusha and "Gods and Generals" that nudged me towards Samurai and ACW respectively. Thus it is that 4 of the 6 periods I dabble in were inspired not by tactics, uniforms, playability or history, but by single books or films. I wonder whether there are others like me out there, or is choice governed by reason. I also wonder why some books "click" and others do not. After all Biggles never got me into aerial warfare, or  King Arthur into the Dark Ages. What made your choices for you?


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: fsn on 23 March 2019, 03:02:04 PM
"Waterloo, a Near Run Thing" by David Howarth got me interested in Napoleonics.

"The Histories" by Herodotus sparked my interest in ancients - though "War Games" by the Blessed Featherstone contributed.

It was the same Featherstone that gave me an interest in the ACW, and I've used that as a basic wargames period ever since. 

The film (and them the book) "Pork Chop Hill" made me aware of the Korean War.

The Films "Battle of Britain", "633 Squadron" and "The Dambusters" - WWII air.

"Battle of the River Plate" and "Hunt the Bismark" - WWII at sea. 



Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Westmarcher on 23 March 2019, 03:49:14 PM
Strangely, I'm not consciously aware of being inspired by any movie or book to start a new period. When I was a lad, I can recall running excitedly out of the cinema and conducting a running make believe fight with my pals all the way to the bus stop, fencing if it was a swashbuckler, shooting with six-guns if it was a Western or firing burp guns if it was a WW2 movie.  :D

But, when I became a wargamer, by and large, I do believe historical non-fiction books have been the kick-starter for me with figure availability, photos of other wargamers' collections and games and favourable reviews on specific wargaming rules spurring me on (initially in magazines, now it's the internet). If I am interested in a historical period, I am more likely to watch the film, I suppose, rather than the movie inspiring me into the period. Sorry to be boring. Will the next poster please step forward .....


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: d_Guy on 23 March 2019, 03:53:11 PM
No boring, but OK  :)

Many of the following aren’t precisely fiction but neither are they documentaries.

John Wayne “The Alamo” + Marx playset.
Errol Flynn “Robin Hood” + airfix
“Cromwell” + Minifigs
C. S. Forester - Hornblower series, Rifleman Dodd, The Gun, The Ship, The General - ALL almost started me off - but no.
The Flashman Papers on each release NEARLY kicked of any number of things, particularly when supported by an Errol Flynn movie.
The scene from “The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex” wherein Essex (Flynn) meets the Earl of Tyrone (Alan Hale) MAY be the origin of my current, long running obsession.


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: FierceKitty on 23 March 2019, 04:18:58 PM
Sundry paintings have nudged me a bit (Uccello's San Romano trio come to mind). I suppose Barry Lyndon was in my mind when I began SYW. But I too have been chiefly inspired by non-fiction in these things.


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Ithoriel on 23 March 2019, 04:50:16 PM
I tend to get hooked by figures and then use books and films to inspire scenarios for games with them.


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: fsn on 23 March 2019, 06:15:37 PM
That's interesting. I don't think I've ever been tempted solely by a set of figures, or rules.   :-\

I've always gone from books/YouTube/films to interest. Sometimes it has taken a while for the figures to turn up, but figures turning up have switched my butterfly to the period.

I was quite smitten by the Pendraken zoo, but that gave me a pathway for WWI, which was something I've flitted about for a while.




Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Techno on 23 March 2019, 06:33:23 PM
Lord Of The Rings...and the old Heritage models....But I didn't really do proper wargaming with them.

Just used them in games of D&D.

Cheers - Phil



Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Raider4 on 23 March 2019, 08:11:17 PM
I bought the Avalon Hill game Wooden Ships & Iron Men after reading my first Hornblower book, but other than that . . . can't think of any direct correlation.


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: SV52 on 23 March 2019, 11:14:50 PM
Nah, it's usually an account of an engagement that sets me off. Like Pavia for example.


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 March 2019, 01:20:45 AM
Nah, it's usually an account of an engagement that sets me off. Like Pavia for example.

NOW you're talking. :)


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Dr Dave on 24 March 2019, 09:00:57 AM
“Red badge of courage” got me into ACW, plus no one else in my club collected it so there was a hole to be filled.

“A bride too far” pushed me into British airborne - as well as my chosen career!  :D


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: SV52 on 24 March 2019, 11:30:12 AM
“Red badge of courage” got me into ACW, plus no one else in my club collected it so there was a hole to be filled.

“A bride too far” pushed me into British airborne - as well as my chosen career!  :D

Marriage counsellor?  :D


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: lowlylowlycook on 24 March 2019, 02:39:18 PM
Marriage counsellor?  :D

I was thinking something a little more, uh, Mormonish.


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Terry37 on 26 March 2019, 02:33:23 AM
That's hte problem, I am too easily inspired by a cool movie or book. Being a HOTT player, most of my armies are based on one or the other - or both. But I also enjoy doing  HOTT historically based armies too.

Terry


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 26 March 2019, 12:39:39 PM
I was thinking something a little more, uh, Mormonish.

As in   "This is BIGAMY Mister Christian".

(http://jimmyakin.com/wp-content/uploads/27apr-Mutiny_HMS_Bounty-300x227.jpg)


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: John Cook on 26 March 2019, 02:55:03 PM
The Conan Doyle historical romances generally but The Exploits of Brigadier Gerard and The Adventures of Gerard in particular. 


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Sunray on 26 March 2019, 06:22:13 PM
The Prisoner of Zenda  (Anthony Hope,1894) has inspired by current 3mm campaign using 1/600 ships (Peter Pig) and OO 3mm Prussian and Russian figures for a 1860s game.


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 26 March 2019, 10:26:49 PM

JRR Tolkien's work opened my mind to goblins as gaming subjects.

They've become a frequent proxy for various irregular historical forces.


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: lowlylowlycook on 29 March 2019, 01:35:53 PM
 Colleen McCullough's novels starting with "The First Man in Rome" have tempted to do late republican Romans but so far I've resisted that temptation.


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Malbork on 29 March 2019, 01:42:57 PM
A re-read of Lewis Crassic Gibbon's Spartacus last year pushed me into finally ordering a slave army to do battle with either my late Republican Romans or Early Imperial ones.

i'm not really going to invest in a caesarian force to face them, am I? Am I? :o


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: lowlylowlycook on 29 March 2019, 01:51:58 PM
A re-read of Lewis Crassic Gibbon's Spartacus last year pushed me into finally ordering a slave army to do battle with either my late Republican Romans or Early Imperial ones.

i'm not really going to invest in a caesarian force to face them, am I? Am I? :o

Hmmmm, does anyone do 10mm crosses?


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: fsn on 29 March 2019, 02:47:56 PM
Just realised all my responses were (to a greater or lesser extent) fact, not fiction, so here's a proper attempt to answer the question.

"The Ship" by CS Forrester. Naval action in the Med in 1940.

Returning to the early Biggles stories ("Biggles Learns to Fly" and "The Camels are Coming") for WWI in the air.

"The Way Ahead" is always a good stiff upper lip job for the Desert War.

"The Duellists", and it's origin "The Duel" by Joseph Conrad gets the Napoleonic blood flowing (in more ways than one.)

Sharpe and Hornblower, "Death to the French" and "The Gun" (made into the lamentable "The Pride and the Passion") ditto.

The first two actually got me into buying lead. The rest sort of keep me going. 



Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: fsn on 29 March 2019, 05:42:10 PM
Oi bin finking.

Finking about films about ancient and dark age and medieval warfare. One of the things that put me off is they all shout "shield wall!" and form a remarkably fine shield wall ... then everything dissolves into one-to-one combats.  =)


"Henry V" - the 1944 Larry Olivier version of course, not that wannabe Branagh.
"The War Lord" - Charlton Heston as a gloomy Norman ... well ... War Lord in a lonely keep. 


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Raider4 on 29 March 2019, 05:50:35 PM
Finking about films about ancient and dark age and medieval warfare. One of the things that put me off is they all shout "shield wall!" and form a remarkably fine shield wall ... then everything dissolves into one-to-one combats.  =)

Yes, one of my personal bugbears. There's a particularly fine example in one episode of Vikings, where the English take up an excellent defensive position in the narrow gap between two buildings, hold there for a second or two, and then charge the attacking Norsemen. And of course get completely slaughtered . . .


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: FierceKitty on 30 March 2019, 12:29:11 AM
Olivier looks good,but he's no actor; if you pay attention, it's clear he doesn't understand the lines half the time.


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: flamingpig0 on 03 May 2019, 05:20:24 PM
'The Flashing Blade' shown on  70sBBC kids tv Saturday morning and of course '300 Spartans'


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: fsn on 03 May 2019, 06:48:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KYWOFo6SFM
This'll get the theme stuck in your head  :D


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 04 May 2019, 01:28:04 AM
Too many to mention in teens/early 20's...in later years, often begun but not finished!  :(
However...SOME that have not been started...Yet....  :o
Book: 'Eagle In The Snow', Wallace Breem...the end of the Rhine frontier and Rome. Still thinking...and hope to keep on 'just thinking' !!!
Books: Conn Iggulden's Mongolian series. Too many figures!!!
That 1970's TV mini series about a shipwrecked Brit in Shogunate Japan...was it 'Shogun'? Too much detail to paint Samurai, (but in my teens, Lady Mariko was a 'Wow'!).   ;)
Books: George MacDonald Fraser: 'The Candlemass Road'...skirmish in the Borders. (This actually re-started my interest in wargaming stuff, post 'Smoking Ban'  >:(  as I remembered that I had a couple of boxes of Revell 1/72 GNW/Conquistador figs that 'might' be converted/painted up? (Never done!)   ...which led to ...ECW 20mm, 10mm... and an ENORMOUS load of cash on just about everything!!!  :'( :'( :'(  )
Ditto GMF 'Flashman' for Crimea and Indian Mutiny.
Etc.
Just remembered,  Books: Colin Wingate:' Submarine/Frigate/Carrier'...Cold War Naval early 80's...need BIG table!!!  ;D ;D
It would be nice to actually finish a project...but, (I suspect)...that I might just 'shut down' on completion!!!   :o ;D


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 04 May 2019, 01:35:26 AM
'The Flashing Blade' shown on  70sBBC kids tv Saturday morning and of course '300 Spartans'
Oh dear...here it comes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KYWOFo6SFM

 :d :d :d


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: flamingpig0 on 06 May 2019, 06:15:55 PM
Oh dear...here it comes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KYWOFo6SFM

 :d :d :d

It was the  theme tune that got me as a kid.

erm - bet the BBC wouldn't show this now

https://youtu.be/Q22FxOdEYLc


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: FierceKitty on 06 May 2019, 09:42:16 PM
Wot, no footcloths?


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Leman on 07 May 2019, 09:04:35 AM
Back in the late 60s The Charge of the Light Brigade encouraged me to do the Crimea in 25mm - about 10 years later I sold the figures as too impractical. At about the same time I saw Prince of Foxes on TV and vowed that one day I would get into the Italian Renaissance - which I have now done in four scales! The only other sour to action of this nature was Bernard Cornwell’s Winter King trilogy which finally got me into Post-Roman Britain. All other films/novels have come along after I’ve started that aspect of Wargaming.


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: T13A on 07 May 2019, 07:20:37 PM
Hi

Anybody remember the novels by Ronald Welch about the Carey family? I remember getting them from the 'young adult' section of the library back in the late sixties. A whole series of military themed novels covering, if I remember correctly, from the Crusades right up to the First World War. I read every book in the series several times and they certainly helped stimulate my interest in all (well most anyway) things military.

Cheers Paul


Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Malbork on 08 May 2019, 12:42:56 PM
Absolutely Paul.  :)

Our school library had about half of them and I was was always frustrated that Airfix didn't have the right boxes of troops to replay the book I'd just read.  The whole series was recently republished (well, between 2014 and 2017 I think) and I treated myself to the full set.  They are little formulaic but still a damned good read.  The company also published an unfinished novel that he wrote about Waterloo.

He and GA Henty were my inspiration back in the day 8)




Title: Re: Has a fiction book or film inspired you to start a new period.
Post by: Dannyboy on 23 July 2019, 10:29:06 AM
Christmas Day 1976, I think. Combination of Granada TV showing the Christmas film "Waterloo" and receiving the Airfix Waterloo battle set proved too much, "poor little might" never stood a chance! Benn hooked on ever since....