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Title: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 January 2019, 08:57:05 PM
So I bought a couple of test packs of Walt's mdf napoleonics.  

He says they are 6mm, but with the caveat they are a bit bigger- I measure at 8-9mm with the base strip. (the bases are 40x20s)

I bought artists pens from Hobby Craft (Windsor and Newton Promarker - 12 for £20, chisel tip at one end, pointy one at the other), and after a white undercoat coloured in, staying between the lines! I can do this quicker, and (a bit) more neatly than painting (I hate painting). Hobby craft also do a 2.5l RUB, with a tray in. 1 compartment takes the pens (and painting glasses) while the other 4 have the figures.

Did a test strip one night, then Monday did the other 11 (2 were half started).  Basically did 88 figures in an evening!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7864/31738717087_563c98d64f_z.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4825/31738716727_4aba94b590_z.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4815/45955801904_e82b59c8b8_z.jpg)

I think I could well buy the rest of the Army now! Not only are they ideal for FoG:N (for the '15mm measurements - why do rules writers not understand the rational for small figures is often more in the same foot print!), but that battalion is the width of a BP unit when playing at the Inch measurement scale, not the sub in cms that SJ, I and Tring club do.

The strips are 42mm - I assume that is to do with laying out efficiently, so I clip the end men off, and put them behind as file closers.

Next up - Dragoon test paint.

Thanks to Sunjester for the loan of bases - There will be a order coming your way, Leon!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 09 January 2019, 09:22:37 PM
bRILL


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Fenton on 09 January 2019, 09:27:13 PM
They look really good


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 January 2019, 09:56:41 PM
I've decided not to flock or paint base edges - I'm going for the 'gentleman's billiard table game' look, so a bit more styalised.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: lowlylowlycook on 09 January 2019, 10:27:50 PM
At table top distance they look quite nice.



Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Westmarcher on 09 January 2019, 11:15:44 PM
As my painting gets slower and slower, these look like quite an interesting alternative for getting mass armies on the table (how much, by the way?). Coincidentally, another new alternative was recently posted on the Peter Pig forum. As someone on that forum said, "Are flats making a come back?" Here is a link and YouTube video:-
https://wofun-games.com/landing.html (https://wofun-games.com/landing.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0IEpoHcIBc


... why do rules writers not understand the rational for small figures is often more in the same foot print!, but that battalion is the width of a BP unit when playing at the Inch measurement scale, not the sub in cms that SJ, I and Tring club do.


I know. Could it be that despite any new innovations they may introduce in their rules, many 28mm rules writers still appear to be wedded to the old fashioned 'one figure equals so many men' concept and so think that's what happens when you move down the scales?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 10 January 2019, 12:04:22 AM
Quote
many 28mm rules writers still appear to be wedded to the old fashioned 'one figure equals so many men' concept

It annoys me something rotten. The BASE=men, unless you are doing figure removal

Each pack contains 12 strips of 8 infantry or 3 cavalry. Infantry packs include a command strip of 2 x 4 figure commands @ £2
Cavalry are side on - they look a little narrow head on to me. I looked at gluing 2 together, but found the heads are carved narrower, so it looked rather odd - like cojoined twins.
Guns are 4 for £1.50, with 2 limbers and 6 horses. Skirmishers are also side on, because they are firing - 4 on a strip - 25p
Some figures sub for other countries as they are so similar.

Of course the German Austrians will be even quicker!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Steve J on 10 January 2019, 08:09:15 AM
They are lovely figures and I really like the billiard table look you've gone for :).


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Womble67 on 10 January 2019, 11:00:30 AM
They look really good

Take care

Andy


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Leman on 10 January 2019, 03:47:56 PM
I’m assuming these are from Commission.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 10 January 2019, 06:12:20 PM
Yes.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 12 January 2019, 12:32:48 PM
I've bought the thinnest artist pen I could find, and done between the legs, and waistband.
Ordered an army (French III Corps 1809 Grande Armee for FoG:N Another 15 6-base units, plus 3 Cavalry and guns and officers etc)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 January 2019, 12:32:23 AM
Walt replied to my order with
Quote
wow. That is jumping in with both feet.
I pointed out 'part an army' is no use!

Fair Warning - Leon is in danger of losing his 'Most Helpful Retailer' title!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 13 January 2019, 12:46:42 AM
They’ve come up a treat! I really rate the Commission mdf stuff - it “paints” up very nicely and the price is awesome :D

Any pics of the shading drawn on yet?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: ianrs54 on 13 January 2019, 09:23:51 AM
I'm ambivalent about these, wont be buying any as I already have large french, russian and British armies from Irregular/Heroics, so no need for more 6mm stuff. The infantry look good, but I find the cavalry a bit odd.

IanS


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 January 2019, 09:50:43 AM
The cavalry are my only reservation too, 6 on 40mm base does remind me of a kitchen slicer. However they are unpainted.

When the test horse and guns are painted up, I'll post more pics. I also found the drums for the infantry. I thought they were  just bits from the cutting at first.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Leman on 13 January 2019, 11:17:32 AM
Oops! Nice to know for anyone else who ventures down that particular MDF path. I looked at them and thought they might be rather nice to use with the Perry’s Travel Battle, to give a real old school toy soldier feel.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 January 2019, 11:55:26 AM
Come across my first problem.

They are so light that I've just scattered the Empress Dragoons with a can of spray undercoat  :o :o

Need to get cheap floor tiles as spraying table, coz they are sticky!

If that doesn't work its going to be brush, which rather ruins my plans for the worlds biggest Austrian Army (an army even Orcs could paint in less than 5 years)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 13 January 2019, 02:30:14 PM
Spot of blue tac on the bottom of the strip should hold them!

I’ve used them to fill in periods I wouldn’t otherwise have gone for - and in numbers that just aren’t doable in lead!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 January 2019, 02:40:58 PM
My housemate suggested the same, and have already done it. Will be painting Empress Dragoons tomorrow.

Will also be ordering bases from Pendraken in next week or so.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 14 January 2019, 02:45:43 AM
Another lesson.

Don't undercoat the horses. The MDF is a nice chestnut colour, and now I've got to paint the coats again. Will just use white paint pen to undercoat just rider and tack.

Only one side is smooth, the edge is ridged. Not too bad on infantry, but there is a lot of horse to paint/colour in.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 14 January 2019, 08:38:58 AM
A wider nibbed pen might help - splot for each side of the horse (sort of rump-left- rump right), think stripe down theoutaide  legs, same at front? “Gaps” left for a suggestion of tack and reins etc.  Although if you’ve undercoated white that doesn’t really work, I guess and you’re stuck with actually painting the beasts? But at least you can colour in the saddle cloths etc!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 14 January 2019, 09:04:32 AM
Anywhere that has been cut is rough, this includes the "front" f the head and tail on the smooth side where the wood has burned off to make it thinner.

For the next lot of horses I'm literally going to colour rider and tack in white, then go over only them with colours.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 14 January 2019, 09:07:50 AM
Yeah, I know, I've a load of them :D

I guess the cut MDF is probably close enough, and it should work well with the paint pens for colouring in the detail.

Just thinking about what's going to be quicker but "undercoating" with a pen for just the tack & rider is probably as quick as spraying anyway, I bet :D


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 14 January 2019, 07:32:14 PM
By the time you've repainted its not worth spraying.

Glad I bought test strips before spraying a hundred more horses!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Shutuphippie on 14 January 2019, 11:40:50 PM
Walt’s flats are fab. I painted up some Austrians for him when they first came out and we were playing a rather large Volley and Bayonet  Napoleonic campaign. 😁.  Not that he needed much help btw as his own painting is utterly superb, the man has the eyes of hawk.

I have just received my copy of the 100th WSS mag and they have a nice little review of the figures  in that 😁 so fingers crossed he’ll pick up loads of orders from that

Andy







Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 15 January 2019, 01:24:29 AM
I do t do them justice.

Mind you, I say that about a lot of figures...


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 19 January 2019, 01:56:15 AM
So, I'm turning this into my 'project thread'.

French army 'recruiting' courtesy of Walt.

Have ordered (surprisingly cheap) movement trays from a certain 'Dark Lord' as Nobby insists on calling him. Most helpful with my desire for some non standard ones for Commanders, along with a big pack of 40 x 20 bases, plus 20 and 40 x 10 for the markers. I've over sized the move trays to allow the markers with unit info (name, division, traits etc) to be placed along the back.  Commanders will be on 40mm disks with up to 3 AdCs to act as Command Point markers

(actually worried that what I asked for isn't what I meant! What if my diagram of the Command bases was duff?)

Have been fiddling with using acetone/alcohol pen combo to transfer laser prints onto painted mdf. Its not really suitable. Its hard not to rub the paint off or leave bits of the paper behind.

(Laser print/photocopy something mirror image, Place on surface to take the print, use acetone to soak the paper, and blender pen to activate the process - acetone on its own doesn't work.)

So have bitten the bullet and bought laser printer water slide decal paper to make up the markers. Also experimented with a white gel pen, but not sure I can write neat enough on a couple of hundred bases.

Just waiting for lots of MDF to drop through the door now, bases, trays, soldiers and storage trays! Landlady says its my job to sort out food for a couple of thousand Frenchmen and stabling for a couple of hundred horses!

Of the test strips - Finished the Empress Dragoons, but as of yet, no bases! They don't look quite as thin painted! The two I didn't spray undercoat definitely look better. Photos when the bases arrive.

Started on the cannons. Think I might try my pin vice drill on the hub to put a pin in to mount the wheels rather than glue alone.

The OOB im working too has the hussars - 5th and 6th in sky blue. I think I will do an AdC as the 8th, so it looks like the little chap on the left.  Luckily AdCs cant be shot - they are just point markers, or Orcs would insist on playing me just so he could shoot the Little Hussar!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 19 January 2019, 09:09:46 AM
 ;D

I found glue alone fine with the cannon, limbers etc - once glued to a base as well they’re small enough but with enough area to join they won’t break. Well they might but only if you stamped on them or something.

Good luck with the bases etc :)

Did you sketch it out in the pub? Blame the beer if it goes wrong!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 19 January 2019, 12:08:10 PM
No- working out stuff for Wargames is why the Civil Service has computers.  :d

Likewise photocopies and printers.  How do you think I know about all the extra facilities - mirroring images, making booklets etc - our photocopier has?  ;D


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 19 January 2019, 01:37:15 PM
Mmmmm perks....


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Leman on 19 January 2019, 05:05:21 PM
My taxes, my taxes!!! - Oh, hang on though, schools are great places for photocopying and laminating. :-[


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 20 January 2019, 02:45:50 AM
Useful skill transfer into the work environment ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 21 January 2019, 01:34:16 AM
Almost finished the three test packs. The edges of the gunners will need properly doing once clipped apart; the line will have to take their chances, but  because the crew be around their pieces their edges will be seen. Not clipping until ready to base, and I'm in Leon and the Royal mail's hands on that.

Had trouble getting wheels to stick. After I've done all four I wondered about gluing a thin wire Axel on the underside, and going with my idea of drilling the hubs.

The re are 2 lengths of barrel, the shorter barely clears the carriage. Any oine know what it is meant to represent?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 21 January 2019, 01:56:33 AM
I'd say the shorter barrel is meant to represent a howitzer

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Obusier_de_6_pouces_Gribeauval.jpg/1024px-Obusier_de_6_pouces_Gribeauval.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obusier_de_6_pouces_Gribeauval (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obusier_de_6_pouces_Gribeauval)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: fsn on 21 January 2019, 07:44:18 AM
I agree. Issued by the British at one per battery, though Bull's Battery at Waterloo were all howitzers.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 21 January 2019, 08:29:34 AM
Indeed, howitzers IIRC Walt's comment before correctly.

Odd on the gluing - I just superglued the wheels on and was done?!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 21 January 2019, 09:09:30 AM
My glue must be a bit dodgy. Took time to set


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 21 January 2019, 09:44:01 AM
To be fair smooth to smooth no lugs is always tricky and I've various stuff that probably would fall apart before it set unless I clamped it :D Assuming the glue came out the tube at all ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Ithoriel on 21 January 2019, 02:43:23 PM
A light sprinkle of Bicarb of Soda or Baking Powder will almost insta-set superglue. Very useful for fiddly joins ... and for gluing bits to your fingers if not used carefully :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 23 January 2019, 09:10:44 PM
The water-slide decal paper has arrived for making the label tiles.  Waiting for the tiles (bases) to arrive to do a test run with plain paper prints before I commit ink to that.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 04 February 2019, 11:45:37 PM
So a box full of bases and movement trays has arrived. When Leon emailed me to say it was on its way I told him off as it was quarter to midnight, and he should be having some time to himself/family.

All packaged so well it looked like a standard kit, rather than a mix, some bespoke!

1 tile painted to check the decal will show up against that shade of green.

What's best to glue frames to bases, PVA or super glue?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Leon on 04 February 2019, 11:54:08 PM
What's best to glue frames to bases, PVA or super glue?

Good to hear that it arrived safely, PVA will be fine and strong enough!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 06 February 2019, 11:19:47 PM
Lots of little wooden froggies have arrived today. Luckily the package  with two MDF storage trays was undamaged by the Hermes person ramming it through the letter box.

Have glued a few more Movement trays, but not doing much tonight, as the kids wanted to go bowling this afternoon - found out why afternoon not evening; unlimited games for a tenner per person.  Played 7 games. Legs are knackered.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 February 2019, 09:28:54 AM
Good job you can sit down whilst gluing MDF ;)

Hermes at least tried to force the package through the "right way round" then!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 08 February 2019, 12:44:13 AM
I'd like to thank all the taxpayers here for printing off waterslide decals. Have black, yellow and light green text to see what shows up best on the green paint.

Here's a conundrum.  I was going to paint the top of the movement trays but not the sides, because of the 'billiard table' look.  Now wondering whether to even paint the top (basically the frame) to acknowledge the artificial nature of a movement tray.

I do like the Command Trays Leon has done (from my design!) 40mm circle for the command stand, 3 x 10mm for the AdCs (1 per command point) plus a 40x10 cartouche for the name plate.  My favourite bit of non figure kit ever.



Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 08 February 2019, 09:52:38 AM
Can we have pics, Last Hussar? They're sounding handy!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 08 February 2019, 08:36:12 PM
Of which in particular?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 08 February 2019, 09:23:45 PM
The command trays, in particular. But any and all, good wargaming piccies are always welcome :D


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 12 February 2019, 12:00:52 AM
The decals are a bit shiny- shinier in the photos. Anyone know a way to matte them without obscuring the writing.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7842/46342310174_9b1c32a011_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dB7sgQ)DSC_0437 (https://flic.kr/p/2dB7sgQ) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7820/46342310824_26f7895765_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dB7st3)DSC_0436 (https://flic.kr/p/2dB7st3) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7824/33191000568_9baa6e1f6c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SyYy7u)DSC_0435 (https://flic.kr/p/SyYy7u) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7890/33191001138_6e293b259e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SyYyhj)DSC_0434 (https://flic.kr/p/SyYyhj) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

The command stand has 3 on the big disk to who it is a Corps commander.  Division commanders will have 2.
The three individual officers are the Command Point markers.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Orcs on 12 February 2019, 01:22:24 AM
Spray matt varnish over it, you might using a very soft brush with the matt varnish.  See link 

https://acrylicosvallejo.com/en/decal-softener-medium-decal-fix/



Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Terry37 on 12 February 2019, 03:41:27 AM
The secret to using decals is to first spray a gloss coat and when dry apply the decals. After they have dried hit it with a flat spray and the film portion doesn't show. But I recommend maybe two light coats of fhe flat spray so it doesn't dissolve the decal.

Terry


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mmcv on 12 February 2019, 07:14:43 AM
Those look rather good! I wasn't sure how they were going to turn out but seeing them based up they have a grand old look  :-bd


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 12 February 2019, 08:48:15 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd

I wonder how much effort would be involved with 'painting' the strips between the figures & beneath the boots to match the green bases :-\


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: ianrs54 on 12 February 2019, 08:50:26 AM
I'd undercoat (black of course), then paint the strip green.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 12 February 2019, 10:39:23 AM
Very cool


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 12 February 2019, 10:47:45 AM
Superb!

Having just done decals on some Blood Red Skies stuff (well, left over Zvesda 1/200th bombers left over from an uncompleted and now mostly sold on project) I feel the annoyance. i'm told there's a brush on decal remover that just evaporates the clear portions away?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: fred. on 12 February 2019, 12:27:10 PM
The secret to using decals is to first spray a gloss coat and when dry apply the decals. After they have dried hit it with a flat spray and the film portion doesn't show. But I recommend maybe two light coats of fhe flat spray so it doesn't dissolve the decal.

Terry

This.

The problem is tiny air bubbles under the decal that gives the silvery look. I’ve found that brush on varnish works just as well. A small bit of gloss varnish where the decal needs to go, let it dry then mat varnish over the whole figure / vehicle at the end.

I’ve used future floor varnish as often as not, as this dries quickly. But the formula seems to have changed.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Womble67 on 12 February 2019, 01:24:43 PM
Very nice indeed

Take care

Andy


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 12 February 2019, 11:50:12 PM
The green between the figures is a different green, which is why it looks like I haven't done them. Will go back with the base green.

If I use a brush on matt varnish will that work?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: grahambeyrout on 27 February 2019, 08:20:50 PM
The mdf figures are not for me, but I do so like the look. Very old school, and simple - I would use them in a landscape of children's wooden building bricks, lollipop trees and rectangular hills, all the time thinking of H G Wells and Little Wars


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 27 February 2019, 11:07:58 PM
Painted a couple of regiments of horses 1 hussars, 1 chasseur a cheval. Because of the colour of the wood I'm not undercoating with spray; I'm using a white paint pen to do just the rider and shabraque. Its quick to bring them into colour once that is done. Monday I did 36 horse unit of chasseur in an evening. Final regiment of chasseur to be done, then undercoat infantry at the weekend. The foot feel quicker to do, but as a unit is 96 probably the same time spent per unit.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 02 March 2019, 11:37:07 PM
Cavalry finished, but weather stopped undercoat spray. Will do generals instead, as I will paint pen them.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 03 March 2019, 10:35:13 AM
A handy backup plan included :D


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 03 March 2019, 09:06:41 PM
I don't think I've ever painted 72 horse in a week, let alone in 1 and a bit nights  x 2


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 20 March 2019, 08:51:58 PM
All horse painted, all generals and ADC (to show command points) done, along with most  'attached officer' bases.  Need to get some photos.

Saturday was calm enough to undercoat 60 strips of infantry. Almost finished first 12=1battalion.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 21 March 2019, 10:24:10 AM
Nice, you're GALLOPING ALONG with those, ahahaha!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 24 June 2019, 08:55:18 PM
Is there a way to remove strips of MDF soldiers from  MDF bases?:-) asking for an idiot who realised there's a better way to layout the figures.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 24 June 2019, 09:10:41 PM
Soak in a warm pva and water mix


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 24 June 2019, 10:52:11 PM
Dampen them up as suggested then run a craft knife carefully under the figure “base”. Done carefully you should get them off...


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Leman on 25 June 2019, 10:47:07 AM
Saw the little chaps on the commission Figures stand at Phalanx and they really looked good. The Romans were very impressive.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 June 2019, 03:47:12 PM
Unfortunately these ones have been painted by me.

Battalion 10 almost finished. Turns out I can paint 96 in an innings if I didn't take breaks.

Two problems.
I took breaks
England collapse means the radio is off and therefore painting has stopped.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 26 June 2019, 08:40:16 AM
In hoping for more Ancients from Commission, as I’ve kind of enough Nappies and ACW figures. So I need more stuff to add to the pile :D

Last Hussar, you need something else to relax with. The England Women’s Football Team are apparently very good and don’t seem afflicted by our sportsmen’s ability to stumble over imaginary deceased invisible turtles at the moment of glory ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 27 June 2019, 08:45:16 AM
I usually listen to BBC comedy, but I'm running out of stuff I want to listen to. However someone has put complete episodes of Yes Minister on YouTube, and apart from Paul Eddington's reaction shots (scripts often said Nothing more than "Paul reacts" because of how good these were) its non visual friendly.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: ianrs54 on 27 June 2019, 08:58:55 AM
The first series pops up on 4Extra from time to time, rest dont seem to have been adapted for radio....


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 27 June 2019, 09:16:23 AM
And it’s good enough you can probably run through the series multiple times with out going crazy :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Raider4 on 27 June 2019, 11:44:45 AM
I usually listen to BBC comedy . . .

Ahh, me too. I have seven seasons of Old Harry's Game, the first two of Hitchhiker's, the original Knowing Me, Knowing You and the complete Revolting People. Oh, and Good Omens and a couple of Pratchett's Discworld stories that they've adapted (Guards, Guards and, umm, another who's name I can't recall at the mo).

Trouble is I've heard them all so often. Still good though.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 27 June 2019, 03:30:09 PM
Pyramids they did a while back.
All hail Om


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Raider4 on 27 June 2019, 03:50:30 PM
Pyramids they did a while back.

No, it's not that one . . .

All hail Om

And this reminds it is Small Gods! I think there's one of the witch stories around as well, but I don't have that.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 27 June 2019, 04:24:30 PM
Small God's, I crouch corrected. Sorry.  :-[


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Leman on 27 June 2019, 08:07:36 PM
Terry Pratchet - I really cannot connect with that man’s humour at all.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: fsn on 27 June 2019, 08:18:24 PM
Early books were the best.

The Colour of Magic.

Later ones ... not so much.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mmcv on 27 June 2019, 11:37:36 PM
Audible is pretty good for it, I have most of them on audiobook (and physical book and Kindle...) Always find something new in them every time I indulge.

Audible seem to be working on a lot of free radio drama style content lately too.

Though mostly on audible I go for long books to get the money's worth, some good historical ones as well as a lot of the Great Courses series. Can get ones upwards of 20 hours.

For lighter listening though podcasts seem to be the way to go these days, a lot out there.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Ithoriel on 28 June 2019, 12:02:13 AM
Early books were the best.

The Colour of Magic.

Later ones ... not so much.

Each to their own. I preferred the later ones which were stories with jokes in not a series of jokes strung together to make a narrative.

I liked "The Wee Free Men" and the rest of the Tiffany Aching series too, even though it's aimed at kids.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mmcv on 28 June 2019, 12:23:21 AM
Each to their own. I preferred the later ones which were stories with jokes in not a series of jokes strung together to make a narrative.

I liked "The Wee Free Men" and the rest of the Tiffany Aching series too, even though it's aimed at kids.

The Tiffany series is good, fresh spin in the witches. I do enjoy the development of the world in the later books and how things tie together more as the world develops and moves on. I find in the first few books he's still finding good feet a bit, as you say more a series of comic moments tired together, but once he hits his stride...

I usually recommend people start with the likes of Wyrd Sisters or Small Gods as they are a lot more accessible than the early ones (unless you have a good grounding in the fantasy tropes).


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 28 June 2019, 07:09:19 AM
Agreed.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: fsn on 28 June 2019, 07:48:47 AM
Audible is pretty good for it, I have most of them on audiobook (and physical book and Kindle...) Always find something new in them every time I indulge.
If you search YouTube there are a lot of aufiobooks on there too - including some from Audible.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Raider4 on 28 June 2019, 08:03:01 AM
I usually recommend people start with the likes of Wyrd Sisters or Small Gods as they are a lot more accessible than the early ones (unless you have a good grounding in the fantasy tropes).

Yes, the first two are distinctly different from what follows. Mort is the first one where he really gets it right, I think. And I wouldn't bother (again) with anything written from The Last Continent onwards.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mmcv on 28 June 2019, 10:32:44 AM
The Last Continent was a bit naff, lots of parody but not much story, but he was still in full stride in the early 00's after that with books like Night Watch, The Truth and Going Postal.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Leman on 28 June 2019, 01:32:04 PM
My problem is fantasy doesn’t float my boat and I just don’t get black humour - life’s too short and I have other coping mechanisms for dealing with misery.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mmcv on 28 June 2019, 02:29:53 PM
Yeah that's fair enough. I would say the "fantasy" elements drop off quite a bit in the latter books, especially with the industrial revolution. It's still there given the backdrop of the world and the inhabitants being not altogether human (while still being very much so in character) but isn't a focus or large plot driver. I wouldn't necessarily class it black humour. It's certainly a bit wry at times, but he's a master at layering comedy, irony, self reflection, parody and reference to real world events and people. And many punes*.

*Or play on words.

I'd also heartily recommend Good Omens, both the book and the recent TV series.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: ianrs54 on 28 June 2019, 04:22:53 PM
Met him once, a very strange person. The books do tail off a bit toward the end, but that I suspect was a symptom of his condition.

ianS


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 28 June 2019, 04:46:59 PM
I have 11 battalions of line completed, and 1 light. Each is 96 figures on 6 bases. 1 regt cuirassier, 2 chasseur, 1 hussar. 3 guns and crew. 16 4 man bases of skirmish, 6 command stands, plus ADCs to act as command points, and 4 bases of infantry officer attachment, 3 for cavalry. Still got 4 bns to paint, plus some skirmish and about 8 guns (I think). That's a gameable force done.

Hopefully pics soon.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: sunjester on 28 June 2019, 06:40:33 PM
Stop mucking about on the computer then and get on with the Austrians to oppose them!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 28 June 2019, 09:01:33 PM
I need to buy them first. I'm looking at my bank account. Also don't want them arriving before I've comleted the French.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 03 July 2019, 07:47:37 PM
Will some please send me "a life"

The muskets are resting on the floor as a score up one leg. So I've bought a yard brush, and am cutting the bristles into 8mm lengths to glue to the shoulders.

The gluing is simple, its cutting the lengths.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 03 July 2019, 08:43:08 PM
As the actress said to the bishop...


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 03 July 2019, 11:10:40 PM
Multipurpose follow up to that

Turns out its trickier that I thought and won't be quick. I can see it keeping me up at night.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 04 July 2019, 02:25:51 AM
Once I've got the individual bristles cut, I could arm a battalion in about an hour. It would be quicker if I'd thought of this before basing - I couldn't find anything thin enough.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48192984232_d8ed167b88_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gqDDcf)Bristle muskets (https://flic.kr/p/2gqDDcf) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48192984692_cd999cdd85_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gqDDkb)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2gqDDkb) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 04 July 2019, 02:28:22 AM
The flag, by the way, is 4mm high.

Hard to see is the fact that the two figures at the back, one is carrying a pike, and the other has a sword.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 04 July 2019, 07:29:38 AM
Very nice


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 04 July 2019, 09:08:03 AM
Wowzers, that's a good idea, pops them up nicely.

I just did similar on some 1/72nd pikemen, not sure I'd want to do hundreds, mind, so you have kudos for that!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 04 July 2019, 09:25:44 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd

And Pierre the Shy thought it was a lot of work gluing on 10mm Pike ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Techno on 04 July 2019, 09:42:47 AM
They really do look rather spiffy !

I'm 'well' impressed !

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 04 July 2019, 07:00:39 PM
If reckon I can do half a battalion an evening minimum, so I can do my 12 bns in a couple of weeks.  Future strips I'll do before basing.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 07 July 2019, 08:30:28 PM
More piccies, I laid every thing so far on dining table.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48224180892_b513e8901b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gtpwSG)Empress Dragoons (https://flic.kr/p/2gtpwSG) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48224180212_757550c790_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gtpwEY)Right flank (https://flic.kr/p/2gtpwEY) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48224179642_72a3aedc53_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gtpwv9)Skirmish line (https://flic.kr/p/2gtpwv9) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48224179367_3ef44befef_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gtpwqp)From the Left flank (https://flic.kr/p/2gtpwqp) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 07 July 2019, 08:44:25 PM
 :o just a few then

 :-bd =D> :-bd


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 07 July 2019, 08:56:19 PM
About 1300.
Another 450ish to go

Then onto buying Austrians. Just waiting for Walt to get back to me about a query.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mmcv on 07 July 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Looking very spiffy


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 08 July 2019, 05:54:46 AM
Very tasty! That’ll spread some glorious revolutionary thought nicely :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 08 July 2019, 06:51:39 AM
Very impressed


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Techno on 08 July 2019, 07:56:18 AM
They look great !  :)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: lowlylowlycook on 18 September 2019, 04:13:26 PM
Impressive.  Most impressive.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 06 October 2019, 02:02:42 AM
Last of the Close Order Infantry done. That's 14  units of 6 bases of 16 figures, 12 Ligne, 2 Legere.

Need to paint the remaining 40 skirmishers to make 10 bases.

Then onto the remaining guns.

144 cavalry already done (4x6x6)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 06 October 2019, 02:16:50 AM
I've been asking around trying to get the muskets printed. No one has come back to me.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Steve J on 06 October 2019, 07:31:39 AM
Those look great en mass, plus the 'old school' look is really rather nice.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 December 2019, 11:55:04 PM
Got the Austrians through about a month ago, but only got round to them last week.

This also included more French gunners, as mine appeared to have deserted. Finished the last of 9 French guns this afternoon, while watching "Fantastic Voyage". The tray has space remaining for 4 stands so that will be skirmishers, 16 figures.

However have first 7 packs of Austrians undercoated. White  :D . these should be a lot quicker than the French because of that.

Also got all the Brunswickers from 1809. I finally have an army I can't be tempted to add to!

Walt's done a fantastic job working out which figures I need, matching ,my demand for grenzers and uhlans up with his catalogue.  I even have lots of tiny eagles to complete the French flagpoles with.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 03 January 2020, 03:35:04 AM
As hoped for the German Austrians are really quick to knock out, as I don't have to  do the jackets, but there was some minor touching up for figures and places the spray had missed, mostly my nemesis on strips, the sleeves. I did the basics on 5 units (each 12 strips of 8 men).

Faces, blankets, back of head, pack done. The black bits- boots and helmet taking longer because of having to do the sides. Did one unit between Christmas and new year in fits and starts, but if I sit down tomorrow should have a total of 6 units  ready for basing.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 03 January 2020, 06:46:06 AM
Sounds ace


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 04 January 2020, 08:54:06 PM
Not quite as far as hoped. Need to put the pen line between legs, also Austrians need arms delineating because all white.

Also the helmet plaque and brush need doing.

Still damn quick.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 05 January 2020, 05:08:23 PM
On the table

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49334602362_61e32f8042_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iawJus)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49334383171_a3190fa1d9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iavBki)




Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 05 January 2020, 05:23:31 PM
I say, those do look good


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 06 January 2020, 12:02:43 AM
Does anyone know what I've done with my gold pen, so I can do the officers sashes?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: sunjester on 06 January 2020, 01:05:13 AM
Put it in a (very) safe place?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Techno on 06 January 2020, 06:17:05 PM
Down the back of the sofa ?

(I'll probably be asking where I've left a 30mm 'scale' head tomorrow.....If I DO ask, remind me it's in the chest freezer.)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 06 January 2020, 06:32:41 PM
Phil, it's in the chest freezer!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 06 January 2020, 06:33:59 PM
I think I left it at my parents.

Bought another.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: FierceKitty on 07 January 2020, 03:24:54 AM
I think I left it at my parents.


Me mum's got a heart of gold; I drew it on her forehead meself.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Techno on 07 January 2020, 06:57:48 AM
Phil, it's in the chest freezer!

Ta, Will.  :)

I'll have to go and fetch it in a few minutes, so it can start thawing out (a bit).

Cheers - Phil ;)



Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: ianrs54 on 07 January 2020, 08:48:15 AM
Phil - where is the chest freezer ?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Ithoriel on 07 January 2020, 03:26:53 PM
Me mum's got a heart of gold; I drew it on her forehead meself.

I have the heart of a lion .... and a lifetime ban from the zoo ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Techno on 07 January 2020, 04:26:25 PM
Phil - where is the chest freezer ?

In the feed room, in the big barn....At least I think that's where it is. ;)

Cheers - Phil



Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 17 March 2020, 01:39:31 AM
Just painted the legs of 72 Hungarian Infantry.

Then remembered they have shakos, not helmets, and what I have actually done is put 72 Austrians in the wrong uniform.

Bugger.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 17 March 2020, 06:15:22 AM
 #-o


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: FierceKitty on 17 March 2020, 06:58:18 AM
Just painted the legs of 72 Hungarian Infantry.

Then remembered they have shakos, not helmets, and what I have actually done is put 72 Austrians in the wrong uniform.

Bugger.

Das war aber schreckliche Schlamperei!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 17 March 2020, 12:36:08 PM
Uniform shortages and scratch raised troops! I hear tell one Guard unit had only a metre of gold braid on their hats! The shame!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Smoking gun on 17 March 2020, 07:21:49 PM
You could do some headswaps. ;)

Martin


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 17 March 2020, 10:13:31 PM
On MDF 8mm?

Are you trying to drive me insane?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Ithoriel on 17 March 2020, 11:31:01 PM
Are you trying to drive me insane?

Are you quite sure it's not too late for that? ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 17 March 2020, 11:34:44 PM
(http://slffvii.com/wiki/images/e/ef/I_will_find_you_and_I_will_kill_you.jpeg)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Ithoriel on 18 March 2020, 12:18:11 AM
(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/31_a6_haberzettl_jagd_web.jpg)


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: FierceKitty on 18 March 2020, 01:00:58 AM
Bambo - at a cinema near you.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: pierre the shy on 18 March 2020, 01:02:50 AM
(http://slffvii.com/wiki/images/e/ef/I_will_find_you_and_I_will_kill_you.jpeg)

"........ Good Luck......."

Liam Neeson in Taken


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Techno on 18 March 2020, 07:09:55 AM
Bambo - at a cinema near you.

Your coat, Sir.  ;)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 March 2020, 02:02:56 AM
Anyway, back on topic...

1 regiment of hussars and 5 of German line now based.

Waiting on the bases from Leon. (Who am I kidding - I only have one unbased unit, the order will arrive before any more units get done... )

10th Hussars
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49695903561_08b9e9173c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHsuKt)IMG-20200321-WA0003 (https://flic.kr/p/2iHsuKt) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

Line
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49695380508_64a0309419_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHpPgj)IMG-20200324-WA0000 (https://flic.kr/p/2iHpPgj) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49695903456_4e8ba3a924_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iHsuHE)20200324_212317 (https://flic.kr/p/2iHsuHE) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 March 2020, 02:14:55 AM
Yes, I know Austrian units only carried 1 Standard per battalion in 1809, but there are a number of important caveats that allow me to put 2 per unit.

1) I like flags
2) These are primarily for Field of Glory, so the unit represents a Regiment or Brigade, thus multiple battalions. (I suppose given this I could add a 2nd Ordinarfahne)
3) Austrian-German units are White with white, white and white. Flags give some colour.
4) Flags are likable.
5) 96 man units in 1:200 - I'm not doing some 12 man 'so called battalion' - see #3
6) These can/will also be used for Black Powder. If we do the cm scale, then the units will be just 3 stands, this way I get a 1st (with Liebfahne) and 2nd (with Ordinarfahne) battalion
7) Did I mention I like a unit with a flag?

Tomorrow/shortly I will undercoat some Hungarians.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 March 2020, 02:18:24 AM
Post Script.
Technically the Leibfahne are the 1804 pattern, not the 1806. But the back is prettier - see the flags at the bottom of this:

http://www.warflag.com/napflags/flaghtml/austria.htm


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 25 March 2020, 02:27:12 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd

Points 1, 4 & 7 supported by 6 carry the argument ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Orcs on 25 March 2020, 04:24:28 AM
:-bd =D> :-bd

Points 1, 4 & 7 supported by 6 carry the argument ;)

Yes he is just a bloody vexillophile


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 March 2020, 10:55:48 AM
No, I just like wargames armies with flags.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 30 March 2020, 04:32:11 AM
1st unit of Hungarians completed Sunday afternoon. Was trying to see if I could do a unit in a day (Saturday to be precise) but couldn't be bothered to concentrate that long. Its perfectly possible, only takes a few hours, but I couldn't be bothered.

Also did the CinC and 3 sub commands Sunday night.

Pics to follow tomorrow (well, later today to be precise)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: hammurabi70 on 31 March 2020, 12:22:42 PM
The mdf figures are not for me, but I do so like the look. Very old school, and simple - I would use them in a landscape of children's wooden building bricks, lollipop trees and rectangular hills, all the time thinking of H G Wells and Little Wars

Yes; I was very impressed in seeing them at CAVALIER a couple of years ago and nearly bought some but then I thought they were a bit ‘wooden’ and that I would prefer ‘proper’ 6mm from Baccus or H&R.  I will be interested to see how matters proceed when the battlefield is reached.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 31 March 2020, 04:30:57 PM
I've a load for Nappies and ACW - tbh at arms length/game's table you can't tell the difference for most!

Skirmisher types are a bit more awkward, so I've salted a fair number of Adler across the bases ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 02 April 2020, 01:28:36 AM
Generals
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49725809047_1d9e214c74_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iL6LBi)IMG-20200330-WA0001 (https://flic.kr/p/2iL6LBi) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

Hungarians

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49725492921_eb1243748a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iL59CR)1585780592315747111558480509273 (https://flic.kr/p/2iL59CR) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr
(With previously posted Hussars)

Another unit, with "attached officer" stand.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49724951033_7cc97da318_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iL2nxX)IMG-20200401-WA0003 (https://flic.kr/p/2iL2nxX) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

In Fields of Glory you can replace a stand with an attached officer. It represents a particularly good commander at regimental level, or if there are more senior officers than normal leading. I'm converting an historical list. Where a brigade equals 1 unit I'm not adding, but where the regiments that make up the bde are each big enough to be a unit, I'm putting the Bde commander in, as FoG has commanders at Corps and Divisional level.

Unlike the French, where all the uniforms are the same, I have to do some Hungarian and some German for the surrounding infantry.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Techno on 02 April 2020, 07:15:57 AM
Looking good !  :)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 02 April 2020, 09:38:59 AM
Very nice


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 02 April 2020, 11:40:53 AM
Spiffy!

I approve :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 02 April 2020, 07:55:26 PM
Are you going to paint the edges of the bases green?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 02 April 2020, 11:33:09 PM
Need to see what I did with the French


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 04 April 2020, 07:21:22 PM
Now for something completely a little different

The Carneville Legion. There were 200 infantry and 100 Hussars in Reinhard's brigade just before Aspern-Essling.  I am putting them into the IR#33 Regiment ( the Hungarians on the right) for FoG - this turns it from 1 'Large' (6 bases) unit into 2 'small' (each 4 bases) units - the one with the hussars will count as having a cavalry attachment, which reduces the effectiveness of enemy skirmish fire.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49735509966_7922ed8b5c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iLXumw)15860234857255688216439529366645 (https://flic.kr/p/2iLXumw) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

However, many of them never made it to the actual battle, having been ambushed the night before by a French raid.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 04 April 2020, 07:56:53 PM
 :-bd =D> :-bd

It's these small odd-ball units that add so much interest to armies :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 04 April 2020, 08:18:47 PM
Like the idea there.  8)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 04 April 2020, 11:51:41 PM
:-bd =D> :-bd

It's these small odd-ball units that add so much interest to armies :)

Its not even a full unit! Even with BP its only 1/6th!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 11 April 2020, 03:15:46 PM
I'm cutting the barrels off the guns and adding a bit of toothpick instead

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49758775821_013911da81_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iP1JtX)Austrian artillery with 3d barrel (https://flic.kr/p/2iP1JtX) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Techno on 12 April 2020, 08:05:08 AM
 8)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 12 April 2020, 06:12:45 PM
Something to go boom

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Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 12 April 2020, 08:34:25 PM
Nice :)

I do like the toy soldier look you have with those bases, makes me think of Britain’s and HG Wells etc!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 12 April 2020, 08:56:11 PM
 :-bd =D> :-bd


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 12 April 2020, 09:49:49 PM
Brilliant


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 12 April 2020, 10:23:07 PM
Cheers. I don't think the general flatness can be counteracted by trying to hide it, so make it a feature, not a bug.

Once you get past that I think they figures (not my painting) look really good in a Billard table way.

I think I have massively over ordered though! However at the prices it isn't end of the world.

A bit of an experiment. A Pendraken. 2x1 base, spare gun wheels and limber. Sides are punch out slot waste from TT Combat scenery

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Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 12 April 2020, 10:43:32 PM
 8)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Techno on 13 April 2020, 06:57:36 AM
Looking good !

Cheers - Phil  :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 April 2020, 10:02:14 PM
Last of the core line regiments done.

All that is left for base army is light/Hager in bnoth closed and skirmish, and grenz skirmish bases, and 3 or 4 "office attachment" bases, and 6-8 AdCs

Done so far
Corp commander
4 x Division Commander
6 German infantry (+1 from different corps) (all line 6 bases each of 16 figures)
2 Hungarian
2 Grenades
8 bases artillery


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 April 2020, 10:07:10 PM
Last of the core line regiments done.

All that is left for base army is light/jager in both closed and skirmish, and grenz skirmish bases, and 3 or 4 "office attachment" bases, and 6-8 AdCs
And a conversion into Uhlans

Done so far
Corp commander
4 x Division Commander
6 German infantry (+1 from different corps) (all line 6 bases each of 16 figures)
2 Hungarian
2 Grenades
8 bases artillery



Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 14 April 2020, 04:31:31 PM
No idea how I quoted myself!

Brigadier attachments.

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Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 14 April 2020, 06:10:13 PM
You're getting rather attached to these.
Great work


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 14 April 2020, 07:21:30 PM
Found out my grey spray paint (citadel "standard') is dark grey. Jaegers on hold u too I get a lighter grey.

Have to be the Uhlans then.

Walt, if you're reading, which did you say to sub in by clipping of the plume and gluing a black paper diamond to make the czapka? Trouble finding the email.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 14 April 2020, 07:56:57 PM
Oo, do tell, I might need a few Uhlans!

Good stuff btw :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 15 April 2020, 01:59:26 AM
So, not having the light enough spray grey I went back to the decals on tiles. There is a knack, but once you've got it its relatively easy to do, and the annoying fold-over is rescueable if it happens. I've done about 47 on 2x1cm tiles, plus about 12 unit names on 4x1s.

Part of the trick is once I've put a couple in the low dish I use (which is also used as a spoon rest when cooking) rub the 2 painted tiles together to sand each with the rough paint on the other.

Lockdown is helping here. Its not just the extra time I have. To allow us to spread about in the office I'm on 3 days one week, the 2 next - its the being rested and bored. I put on a film or comedy, and can take little breaks. Usually I'm busy or tired in the week, and out hiking on a Saturday.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 15 April 2020, 02:33:31 AM
Just a reminder for me, as I'm having trouble remembering, and my tablet doesn't like this email she. I try and find it.

Quote
The lancers and hussars are best matched with Light dragoons in shako with cloth shebraque (then off with the pom pom and a small square of paper on top of the shako gives the Czapka and a pin for a lance - for the Uhlans)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 15 April 2020, 09:57:30 AM
Nice one. I might be ordering yet more Austrian line infantry from Walt in the near future so I may throw in for some lancers!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 16 April 2020, 09:21:55 PM
I've also got Brunswickers, and they have Uhlans. Also going to get Imperial Guard, so will need Polish Lancers.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 16 April 2020, 09:23:20 PM
I'm thinking of doing a mixed unit of Light and Grenadiers.

They'd be Jaeger Bombers.

....

I'll get my pelisse


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 16 April 2020, 10:37:36 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 17 April 2020, 04:58:27 AM
 X_X ;D


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Techno on 17 April 2020, 07:22:37 AM
Gimme strength !  X_X

Cheers - Phil :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 18 April 2020, 04:33:06 PM
Have managed to get a can of grey spray paint, so Jaeger's now ready to finish.

Currently painting the tiles for unit status markers.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 20 April 2020, 09:41:14 AM
Well, that's annoying. After painting scores of strips and basing them I've accidentally found out too late a way to pick out the cross straps.

Because the laser etching is so fine, and I'm not a dexterous painter, I couldn't get a subtle enough way to show them.

Up to now I've been undercoating white and just using that as the main colour. Now I've moved onto skirmishers.

The other day I undercoated the Austrian skirmishers with what turned out to be too dark grey. Have bought another can of light-mid grey and resprayed. Painted half the open order ones, then turned to the dozen closed order, and found 7 or 8 strips have the detail picked out perfectly where the light grey hasn't covered the dark in the laser grooves.

Bugger.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 20 April 2020, 10:46:49 AM
Dang!

Would a very light wash pick out detail in the white ones? Just a swipe down the cross belts?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 20 April 2020, 11:54:22 AM
I tried that. I can't work out how to wash MDF flats. The scores are very fine, and I'm not very good.

 This only showed up on a few of those I sprayed.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 20 April 2020, 12:04:33 PM
Drat and double drat...

IIRC I did my Austrians in white > black ink wash > drybrush white > pick out flesh/hat/trimmings/weapon and they turned out decently enough en masse and very very quick... it's very easy to over do the wash or dry brush though.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 23 April 2020, 03:21:55 AM
Spent the evening making pennants for lances, and cutting green paper for the top of czapkas.  You can imagine how time consuming g that is in 1:200.

Well it's worse than that.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 23 April 2020, 03:31:18 AM
 @-)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: sunjester on 23 April 2020, 07:07:16 AM
You need to get out more!  ;)
And so do I! ;D


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 23 April 2020, 08:53:55 AM
1. Yes, and have the pubs open.

But 2

Have you a better method? Because I have still got another 12 lances and 24 czapkas to do, and the thought of it is keeping me in bed.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 23 April 2020, 09:13:04 AM
You can't see the top of the hat very well here, but it is a piece of paper about 1.5 mm square. For reference on the pennant, that is a Pendraken 20*40 base so 2mm thick.

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Getting the paper cut to the right size is tricky in 1:200,as tolerances for the visual is so fine.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 23 April 2020, 10:48:04 AM
Can you get a hole punch? I know there's crafting punches that do many shapes and sizes, I have coveted them in Hobbycraft before...


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 23 April 2020, 01:42:02 PM
Look grwat, but its also a great suggestion too.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 23 April 2020, 02:22:25 PM
Mini nail clippers are proving the best way to do the v shape. You know exactly where the blade is before cutting.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: ianrs54 on 23 April 2020, 03:56:36 PM
I have put triangular flags on 1/300th scale tanks, I sympathise  ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Raider4 on 23 April 2020, 04:38:15 PM
I have put triangular flags on 1/300th scale tanks

Madness! This is madness!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 23 April 2020, 04:59:58 PM
How do you manipulate them for gluing?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 23 April 2020, 08:33:14 PM
A black line across the top of those pennants to hide the white paper would really lift them ;) :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 23 April 2020, 11:13:32 PM
Bugger, missed it. Took a photo then realised under light from the angle you could see it; I did check as I glued.

Have gone back after this one was taken, shows up more in photos. You'll also notice glue not fully dry.



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Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 23 April 2020, 11:21:20 PM
They look great though


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 24 April 2020, 12:27:14 AM
Thanks. I think having a blob of PVA for the hat top fix is better than a smear- you can't see it here, but it gives it shape.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 24 April 2020, 04:45:31 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Steve J on 24 April 2020, 06:24:51 AM
They look damned good to me.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 April 2020, 06:42:17 AM
A black line across the top of those pennants to hide the white paper would really lift them ;) :)

I'm always astonished that so many people ignore that step with paper flags.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: ianrs54 on 24 April 2020, 07:33:34 AM
How do you manipulate them for gluing?

Very carefully. Last lot I did were 15mm Crusaders (II's and III's). The major problem is sizing things right, I have a load of 15mm 432's with huge Union flags on them. One thing you might try is the punchings from a comb binder...


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 24 April 2020, 11:05:03 AM
What I worked out is put the squares on the table, then put PVA onto a 'pallet' (a old pre laser base in my case) and put the upsidedown horse man onto the glue, then pick the square up with the now glued head. Because I lined it up litre readjustment was needed pushing with tweezers.

I cut the paper until I got a strip the right width, then I used the nail clippers to cut squares, which are easy to judge by eye. Occasionally I had to clip it a little shorter.

I usually do remember to edge flags, but with these ones I was concentrating of colouring the paper on the ones that hadn't lined up properly, because they are so small, making folding difficult. They will be the ones without an edge. The ones that I folded accurately didn't need the exposed bit colouring in, so I forget the edge.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 24 April 2020, 11:19:18 AM
All I need to do now is the skirmishers for the Grenze/Freewilliger Bns. 48 (2x24) to be done

Problem is the coat is brown, the backpack is brown, the musket is brown, also the pack on the skirmish ones is a bit odd- the skirmishers are firing, which means for these flatish figures the pack is at an angle to the plane, so on the figure it tends to wrap round back and left side, giving a boxy appearance to the blokes shoulders/back.  It really is the only downside of these figures.

I'm going to use a acrylic paint for the musket stock, not sure what to do about the pack, as I'm not sure I have enough different browns.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 24 April 2020, 12:06:14 PM
Can you paint the brown for one piece and leave the other in the bare MDF? At game table length would that work... ?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 24 April 2020, 08:10:40 PM
I'm going to use a acrylic paint for the musket stock, not sure what to do about the pack, as I'm not sure I have enough different browns.

I've only got 19 different brown model paints, plus 6 different brown test pots for basing/terrain


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 24 April 2020, 10:46:09 PM
Can you paint the brown for one piece and leave the other in the bare MDF? At game table length would that work... ?

No, they're undercoated.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 25 April 2020, 01:59:11 AM
Durn.

Two colours of brown pen, then?!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 April 2020, 10:41:01 AM
 ;D
I've found a different brown pen... But its the same shade  :'(
I have found I have 3 pots of brown paint - going to give them a go.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 25 April 2020, 11:34:53 AM
Life conspires to thwart you!

Paint?! On miniatures?! The horror!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 April 2020, 01:06:29 PM
Orcs will tell you that paint is corrosive, so he leaves his figures unsullied.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 April 2020, 01:08:30 PM
IV ArmeeKorps, Aspen Essling May 1809
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Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 April 2020, 01:13:37 PM
5th Column
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4th Column
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Avant Garde
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Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Orcs on 25 April 2020, 01:42:16 PM
Orcs will tell you that paint is corrosive, so he leaves his figures unsullied.

No that is  my painting mountain range.  I have several thousands of painted figures.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 25 April 2020, 03:13:50 PM
Brilliant


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 April 2020, 05:39:20 PM
Trial Battle of Fields of Glory. 64 and 96 figure units looking good.

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Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 25 April 2020, 06:19:56 PM
Superb


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Ithoriel on 25 April 2020, 06:24:51 PM
Impressive!

"Quantity has a quality all it's own" As Stalin probably never said  :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 April 2020, 06:29:39 PM
Its difficult to frame for a photo - get the whole sweep in, and you just have blobs - show the units and you can't get the scale of the table.

(Unrelated question - the dice are the GW ones - are they 12mm?)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: howayman on 25 April 2020, 07:00:42 PM
Really impressive.
Many years ago a fellow gamer said about some unpainted figures in a game "You might as well just use wooden blocks"
Here you are superb painted wooden markers.
Are you going to continue?

By the way. Who won?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 25 April 2020, 07:55:20 PM
Bonza.

Looks better than any game of FoG-R I’ve seen before, but Then i do like the big battalions :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 25 April 2020, 08:55:02 PM
 :-bd =D> :-bd =D>


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 25 April 2020, 10:21:01 PM
Not finished it yet, the only other time I've played was about a year ago with Sunjester - just a small game and that was 1st edition.

Its quite table heavy and the only QRs are on a closed Fb group.  I need to amend the ones I typed up for that. After a couple of turns I was in the swing of it, but having only the tables in the book is a pain. Once typed up it will be simple - 1 page per phase.

2 turn the Austrians cavalry moved up, the French made a defensive charge, and the Austrians counter charged. The dice between them were average, except the low ones were with the French. Uhlans followed up, and a regiment of hussars ran away.  In FoG if cavalry take any hit in close combat they are "spent" for the rest of the game, so 5 of the 6 cavalry in the game are below full effectiveness early on.

The Austrians, being unreformed usually need to get within  2 move units, while the French skirmishers project decent power out to 6. The Austrians are going to need their large units to absorb damage (-1 hit for being large) and hope they can overcome the smaller French units.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: fred. on 26 April 2020, 09:23:26 AM
Looks very impressive

Are you going to paint the edges of the movement trays to match the green of the figure bases?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 26 April 2020, 10:05:05 AM
I'm not planning to. As I've mentioned before you can't hide the flat nature of the figures, especially skirmishers, so I'm making a feature of it for that ”Brandy and cigars - Billiard table" look. Also everything is one pose per type.  If I was a better painter I might.

The laser also gives the MDF a colour and sheen of real wood.  This is why I haven't flocked the bases either.

Any ideas how I can clean the base edges to remove the paint? (The big tubes of acrylic from "The Works")

I know some people don't like markers on the table, and the trays have the info in them, but again I am making a feature of the table top appearance, rather than making a diorama. Also the rules give the bases as 30mm deep not the 20 I use, so a unit in "tactical" is the right depth with those added.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 26 April 2020, 12:11:35 PM
I'm calling the game an Austrian victory. French Right flank almost turned, and the Corps is beginning to get fragile - especially that right most division.

Decisive moment was when a French Square (the unit on the hill on the right) came under threat by both infantry and cavalry.  The infantry (in the photo its the large unit on the right by the red dice) charged it, and caused it to retire left wards - away from the charge. Firing from the woods Broke it, causing another unit to Break.  A charge against the Freiwilliger Bn (in the photo its on the central hill, next to the Divisional commander) that was on the left end of the wood (triangle of 3 trees) failed, not only did the French Regiment run away, but the conscripts made their roll, to pursue. Their original tormenters being beyong pursuit range they smashed into the unit to their right, forcing them back into friends who then became disordered because of it.

Although the Austrian Right (left in the photo) has had a bit of a slap, its strong enough to pin the French left.  Davout has decided maybe a withdrawl would be better than a rolling up!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: ianrs54 on 26 April 2020, 12:25:24 PM
As mdf is absorbent I dont think you will be able to remove paint from the bases.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 26 April 2020, 01:06:59 PM
If it’s dried quick a flick over with your nail/edge of a knife might flake it off.

If it’s dried *in* then one of the very dark browns from the Works (great minds) is almost exactly the match of the laser cut edges on the mdf...


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 26 April 2020, 01:24:13 PM
If it’s dried quick a flick over with your nail/edge of a knife might flake it off.

If it’s dried *in* then one of the very dark browns from the Works (great minds) is almost exactly the match of the laser cut edges on the mdf...

The only risk with using a blade on the edge of the MDF is scraping off the burnt layer and needing to paint it anyway  :(

Swings and roundabouts I guess  :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 26 April 2020, 01:41:42 PM
Yers, it’s an awkward balance!

The Works tube craft paint that I think matches the mdf edges nicely is “PNTA-149 Raw Umber” - it’s very dark brown in the tube and retains that colour when painted :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 27 April 2020, 03:38:51 AM
Using Google Lens to OCR the FoG tables in to a word processor to edit into a precis/play sheet (beyond QR - will be a run through of the turn) realised where I was going wrong. This is why my QR goes through step by step.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Terry37 on 27 April 2020, 05:27:06 PM
Really impressive, and a lot of painting involved!!!

Terry


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 27 April 2020, 06:40:49 PM
Lockdown helped, and being Austrians.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 29 April 2020, 03:37:52 PM
Did you know the inside of the box of Aldi own brand Wheat (not Weeta) biscuits (not bix) is the same colour as MDF?

How do I know?  I've made 'lids' for the movement trays - I can leave the marker tiles in the trays, stack them up and rubber band the lid on the top, meaning I don't have to spend time at the start of a game putting them in.  I might make card 'unit templates' to put in so when unpacked its easy to see what figures go where - especially for the Austrians who have a wide array of units and uniforms.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 29 April 2020, 03:38:35 PM
Nice!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 29 April 2020, 08:20:51 PM
Good idea :)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 01 May 2020, 06:46:36 PM
Gentlemen of the Officer's Mess,

and Nobby,

Advice please.

Thinking of getting a French Ally - which one do you suggest. Nice flags are an advantage. One that I could use as just a Division within a corps would be nice.

and secondly

Painting Brunswickers. Would you go black, or could/should I use the very dark grey - Citadel 'Standard'?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 01 May 2020, 07:55:26 PM
Bavarians


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 01 May 2020, 08:51:35 PM
Brunswickers - if they’re 3D figures I’m sold on Citadels black Contrast paint - works really well!

If it’s the MDF... I’d go dark grey-black, give a little bit of light to catch the eye?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 01 May 2020, 09:20:15 PM
Its the MDF


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 01 May 2020, 09:29:38 PM
Definitely dark grey-black, I hardly ever use black now, certainly not for significant areas


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 01 May 2020, 09:45:18 PM
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=NgzwRlpd&id=3B10C9850CC417A563B957210F33E2B5D99D7503&thid=OIP.NgzwRlpd6pifhQrTA9ragQHaHa&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wargamestore.com%2fimages%2fP%2fMechanicusGrey-01.jpg&exph=600&expw=600&q=citadel+standard+grey&simid=608001501454599307&selectedIndex=0 (https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=NgzwRlpd&id=3B10C9850CC417A563B957210F33E2B5D99D7503&thid=OIP.NgzwRlpd6pifhQrTA9ragQHaHa&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wargamestore.com%2fimages%2fP%2fMechanicusGrey-01.jpg&exph=600&expw=600&q=citadel+standard+grey&simid=608001501454599307&selectedIndex=0)

Might be a bit darker in real life


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Orcs on 01 May 2020, 10:32:35 PM
Brunswickers - in theory quick to paint. You could ask Walt to go over the uiniform are lightly with the laser - then they would only need a dry brush of grey.
"
BUT he might charge you extra as "pre painted " pre- burnt?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 02 May 2020, 02:10:01 AM
And I already have them...


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 02 May 2020, 07:55:16 PM
I'm thinking Hesse-Darmstatd. I like the flag (similar to Prussian and Russian).  5 Battalions, so just 1 unit in FoG.

Also thinking might do base edges green, but not movement trays.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: ianrs54 on 03 May 2020, 07:09:39 AM
A good project is a French army with no frenchmen in it other than the Marshals..


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 03 May 2020, 10:18:14 AM
VII Corps is 8 Small units of Bavarian infantry with 1 large and 1 small unit of cavalry
VIII Corps for Wurttemberg is 5 small infantry and 3 small cavalry
Each are in 2 Divisions
That is basically a perfectly good FoGN army - 18 units in 4 commands, and one that can be played by two people.  They would play exactly the same as French - the troops are as good in the army book, but more colourful. AND with 2 larger flags per unit, which differ between units

Tempting...    :- 

I've got 16 French infantry units, need a couple more Light, and more Cavalry.  I'd also like the Imperial Guard- that's just 6 Infantry plus 4 Cavalry (and for FoG only 2 Cavalry).  A unit is only £2.  £60 gives me 3 'different' Corps.

Very tempting.  :d


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 03 May 2020, 11:20:25 AM
You know in 1812, you can have Prussians too?  ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 03 May 2020, 12:06:39 PM
I did WSS Prussians (real Pendraken).  I said I would never paint that much dark blue again, because  I'd undercoated black, and couldn't see where I'd painted.  Also the French are blue, so boring.

1812 the French have different flags, so
1) I'd need a load of command stands with Tricolours and
2) I like the lozenge.

If I was going to 1812 I'd do Russia, at some point I might do them for Fourth Coalition.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 04 May 2020, 10:32:51 AM
Remembered why I have so many Austrians - its due to the number of different types of uniform - Grenadier, Grenzer, Landwehr. Bought a little bit more of each than needed for my model list.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 06 May 2020, 07:28:45 PM
Two units of Grenadiers painted ((2nd not based). One Hungarian, one not.

No pics unless you ask - imagine like all the other Line I've painted, just in pointier hats, and a dab of colour on the back


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Noktu on 06 May 2020, 08:39:02 PM
Two units of Grenadiers painted ((2nd not based). One Hungarian, one not.

No pics unless you ask - imagine like all the other Line I've painted, just in pointier hats, and a dab of colour on the back

Pics or it didn't happen


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 06 May 2020, 08:41:19 PM
Pics or it didn't happen

Oh, OK. later, possibly in a day or so.  I'll finish off the current bunch and upload some to Flikr.

You do know I have beer that needs drinking?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 07 May 2020, 12:44:45 AM
Hmmm, camera too close

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49865053877_8331623870_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iYprfe)Grenadiers (https://flic.kr/p/2iYprfe) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 07 May 2020, 06:41:13 AM
Hats definitely pointer ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 08 May 2020, 05:44:20 PM
By way of light relief (ie I am procrastinating painting the boots of the other 3 regiments of grenadiers)

Pendraken mdf 20x40 base - 1.5 grams.  A unit worth of 6 bases therefore weigh 9 grams
Bag of 12 strips (1 unit at 2 to the base) 4 grams. The bag they come in is 2g!  A unit is therefore 13g.

5 units = 60 bases
Infantry 20g
Bases    90g!
---------------
Total    110g
a shade under 2g a base

RUB tray holds 80 bases - which means if mdf weighs the same per cubic mm a weight of 120g
The walls are approx. 23mm high, call it a base depth for the cut outs and to make maths easy, and a total of just over 1240mm (31 40mm bases) long (inc central divider) = Approx 40g
Tray total 160g
80 bases x 2g = 160g

80 bases = 160 strips. =13.3 packs = 53g approx

of the 320g in a full tray of infantry troops, less than 1/6 is the figures!

7 trays in a 9L RUB
Max weight 2.24kg - will probably be less because infantry in close order was weighed - based artillery comes out at approx. 2g a base, skirmish will be less.

Company lists box weight as 900g

I can carry two armies for about 3kg

Movement trays are 20g (6 bases) and 14g  (4) with marker tiles.
33g a unit.



Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 09 May 2020, 12:15:13 AM
Where's Ian when you need him

Work faster :!! ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 May 2020, 03:07:53 AM
Since about 8pm Thursday I've painted 288 figures.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 09 May 2020, 03:12:16 AM
Fair enough


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: ianrs54 on 09 May 2020, 06:58:23 AM
Where's Ian when you need him

Work faster :!! ;)

Right 'ere, I suing you for breach of copyright !!!!!  :d :d


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: sunjester on 09 May 2020, 07:46:59 AM
The last photo looks like a typical manoeuvre for Austrians under your command! ;D

The Germans have a Hungarian commander, the Hungarians have a German commander, they are ordered to advance forward, one veers right, the other veers left!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 May 2020, 11:39:04 AM
No, they are moving from column into line, this is part way through the Hungarians coming up level.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 May 2020, 02:36:21 PM
Back to weights, and rather than just become obsessed by the arithmetic (if somebody wants to check that - I did it in my head), a few thoughts

10 Pendraken (ECW command) come to 10g - and 10-12 is what people put on a 40x20

This means that when you pick up a base of Commission mdf they feel very fragile. I don't think they are, its just the association with lightness (fun fact - Kenwood mixers are designed 'heavy' to help with the impression of quality).

Although I use superglue on metal (actually what I do is pva on the base, glue the superglued figures into that, then immediately flock) my suspicion is with the mdf->pva->mdf the bond will be stronger; the glue soaks in (unlike any metal bond) and the lightness means less strain on the glue - 1/3g on a 40x1mm bead.  It also means that if they do fly around due to a pothole the actual weight hitting the other stand will be a lot less.  Also the mdf is soft, so more give, and I am not so much as painting as staining, as the mdf must be absorbing the undercoat, and paint/ink to paint adhesion must be better than paint to metal, so I think less likely to chip, though I'm guessing the flagpoles and lances may be lost!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: fred. on 09 May 2020, 04:30:56 PM
I’m not quite sure where you are going with all the maths...

But a base of MDF figures is going to feel very light - with some of the plastic WM figures, I glued them on to steel bases, just to give them a similar heft to metal figures on plastic bases. Not entirely sure why I found this necessary, but it did make them feel right.

For transport, I think you are right the ‘painting’ will be robust, whether the sticky out bits of the figures will be, I don’t know. But perhaps a bit of bubble wrap in the top of each tray will do enough to hold them in place.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 May 2020, 06:18:39 PM
I hate painting- I took a break and got engrossed. (Why yes, I do have a diagnosis for high functioning autism, how did you know?)

I'm thinking of gluing felt on the underside of the box trays. Bubble wrap might be too deep, but I'll have a look at that suggestion.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 09 May 2020, 06:24:42 PM
This means that when you pick up a base of Commission mdf they feel very fragile. I don't think they are, its just the association with lightness (fun fact - Kenwood mixers are designed 'heavy' to help with the impression of quality).

This is a known phenomenon - probably mentioned in an episode of No Such Thing as a Fish (a podcast from the QI Elves) - eg the weight of cutlery you eat with in a restaurant can strongly influence perception of its quality  :-B


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: fred. on 09 May 2020, 06:46:22 PM
Having moved a number of rocks in the garden this afternoon, there is a point where it tips from weight indicating quality to just being bloomin heavy...


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 09 May 2020, 06:52:21 PM
The very expensive Beats headphones are just bog standard headphones with weights in. Never mind the quality, feel the weight!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: O Dinas Powys on 09 May 2020, 07:04:09 PM
Having moved a number of rocks in the garden this afternoon, there is a point where it tips from weight indicating quality to just being bloomin heavy...

 =O


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 May 2020, 09:42:57 PM
FINALLY finished the basing.

Painting on pause for a few days, going to tidy up the house tomorrow.

Then a bit of an audit to decide what next.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 12 May 2020, 11:20:25 PM
A serious side to my joke about 19th Century needing to pick a uniform - ESPECIALLY Austrians - is in the bit about buying too much.

Metal is far nicer, but that comes at a cost.  I would have had to stuck to an OrBat rigidly, then maybe added units on later. I would have had little chance for variation outside of that.  With these I can knock out a 6 base unit in an evening or two, and adding that extra Grenz or Landwehr to the box costs £2, but gives me flexibility.

If I win the lottery I'd happily replace in metal, because someone else would be doing the painting!  Until then, with my limited time, limited money and limited patience with a brush, I'm happy with these.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Orcs on 13 May 2020, 09:31:17 AM
They look great to me L.H.

Happy house tidying.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 14 May 2020, 07:31:37 PM
I hope be taking them to Tring one day! So you can see them there.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 12 June 2020, 11:40:29 PM
Finally gave them a run out, as part of a Sunjester "Bubble".

For Sj and I, the game is more about the social aspect than winning (also 'winning' can you explain what that means please) so the game is more fun than solo. I took 6 pints of carry out draught from my local (who is doing off sales for the duration); you forget how good it tastes!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49999099548_402e6e7118_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jbfsmu)Facing Armies (https://flic.kr/p/2jbfsmu) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49999872882_6f13466661_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jbjqeQ)The French Advance (https://flic.kr/p/2jbjqeQ) by Last Hussar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lasthussar/), on Flickr

More on Flickr - pics are the link.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 12 June 2020, 11:59:46 PM
Those look awesome fella!  8)
Only 6? 🍻


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 June 2020, 12:14:45 AM
[duplicate]


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 June 2020, 12:16:20 AM

Sj has bottles. Also afternoon drinking, and because its from a pub more expensive than Aldi. And I had to carry it a mile.

You've been to Sj's house - I'm only a mile away, and always up for a game.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Techno on 13 June 2020, 07:27:07 AM
Zippy looking table !  :-bd

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 13 June 2020, 07:43:26 AM
Excellent, when this stupidity is over, I'm in.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mmcv on 13 June 2020, 10:48:41 AM
Looking well, must feel good to get them on the table!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 26 June 2020, 10:33:13 PM
2 games with them (plus 2 solo games, but I never feel like that counts)

2nd game was Blucher (today). because I have been painting towards a FoG:N OOB, I didn't have enough Austrian artillery or French cavalry. So, when I can be arsed to paint more, that's what will be up next.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 27 June 2020, 12:23:24 AM
Sounds good - how’s your find Blucher as a game?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 27 June 2020, 12:51:28 AM
Its ok.  Different to most rules because its so high level, so it lacks a lot of things because they aren't needed, such as formations - that sort of thing is the problem of the brigadiers.  Its more about where do you concentrate your efforts, because you have a limited number of activation points, and you don't know how many.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 27 June 2020, 05:27:15 AM
I really like them. You feel like Napoleon or Kuznetsov etc, to me!

But they’re very “chalk or cheese”
And a lot of people don’t get on with them.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: sunjester on 27 June 2020, 07:08:11 AM
I really enjoyed the game (not just because I won  ;D ). Early 19th century isn't usually my favourite period, but I'll certainly play Blucher again.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 27 June 2020, 09:51:57 AM
Sunjester was looking at one end of the field thinking if I attacked there he didn't have enough units to hold me, I was looking at the same situation thinking how much of a slocg it would be and I could easily get routed; I wanted to move there but the 'I don't know how much momentum I have' problem meant that I dare not split my attack in two places.

Its always funny finding out your opponent's view on the game afterwards; ive found sitting on the other side of the table gives you a whole new perspective.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 27 June 2020, 11:43:42 AM
Excellent, glad you both approved :D

“Why didnt you just...” is a great post mortem.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: FierceKitty on 27 June 2020, 01:53:36 PM
Excellent, glad you both approved :D

“Why didnt you just...” is a great post mortem.

Better than "What you did wrong was..." from someone who won by absurdly good luck.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 27 June 2020, 05:37:16 PM
“What you did wrong was...” not bring my lucky Dice rolls ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: paulr on 27 June 2020, 08:29:06 PM
The people that 'amuse' me are the ones who complain about their poor rolls and your good ones when their poor tactics leave them needing 6s when you only need to roll 4s ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: toxicpixie on 27 June 2020, 09:59:11 PM
Ahhh, that’s playing the rules not the game! Terrible folk, that. Even worse when you wrote the rules ;)


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 27 June 2020, 11:58:40 PM
Three things lead to my defeat at 19th Century (Any of it, not just the early bit)

1) Sunjester's Lucky Dice (Orcs will confirm; three 6s on 4 dice is taking the piss)
2) My Dice (again, ask Orcs)
3) I always choose the Austrians...

At least with Blucher the French Skirmishers are a lot less effective than in FoG.

Need to paint more artillery, and then more Cavalry for Blucher - What I have is for FoG OOBs.  Going to get the Imperial Guard as well. Next game we'll use the campaign system.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Orcs on 28 June 2020, 07:36:33 AM


1) Sunjester's Lucky Dice (Orcs will confirm; three 6s on 4 dice is taking the piss) - But absolutely normal for Sunjesters dice

2) My Dice (again, ask Orcs) _- Buy some more.  Take them outside where they can see your old dice. THen infromnt of them either smash the old dice with a hammer or burn them with a blow torch. then explain to the new dice that is what happens to dice that do not throw the correct numbers.

3) I always choose the Austrians...Why - choose British,




Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 28 June 2020, 01:46:38 PM
As much as I'd like to do the British, in not sure it is possible to get rules that work for them because they were so different to the rest of Europe. Also the British didn't take part in the Austro-Prussian and -Franco wars of the 1850s and 60s.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 28 June 2020, 07:56:47 PM
But they did take part in the Crimea, and India, look how well they did there, upsetting allies and insulting those supposed to be on our side. The Army is too far spread to help really....

The navy was rather useful, at looking good. Its tactics werent kerping uo with technology, just coz it was bigger, did it make it better?

We were still paraniod the French would invade in the 1850s.  Palmerston's Follies anyone...

And they had a tendency to start supporting one side, then switch to back for the underdog ( FPW), or just pull out without getting involved due to business  (ACW, Maximillian in Mexico).

What statues to pull down from this period, we didn't deserve it...


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Last Hussar on 28 June 2020, 09:05:25 PM
Look, I'm trying to get Sunjester to do little wooden Russians for 1805, don't confuse the matter!


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: hammurabi70 on 28 June 2020, 11:46:06 PM
The navy was rather useful, at looking good. Its tactics werent kerping uo with technology, just coz it was bigger, did it make it better?

Would you care to elaborate on that, given that it converted sail ships to steam and introduced the screw frigate?


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: mad lemmey on 29 June 2020, 08:59:38 AM
But its tactics were still those of Nelson.

Fair point.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: Orcs on 29 June 2020, 09:59:20 AM
Look, I'm trying to get Sunjester to do little wooden Russians for 1805, don't confuse the matter!

Two problems their,
1 SJ is not really interested in Napoleonics- Yes he will happilly play the game as he is a wargames slapper - Any Period, Any rules , Any side.
2 He has lots to paint that interests him. 


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: hammurabi70 on 29 June 2020, 01:58:28 PM
But its tactics were still those of Nelson.

Fair point.

I think the problems arise in the late Victorian period as demonstrated by the loss of the VICTORIA and the signals debacle of WWI. Of course you might argue that such failures make a period MORE interesting.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: ianrs54 on 29 June 2020, 02:08:36 PM
The signals problem in WWI were due to a lack of voice radio, and coal smoke. Overall in the only major battle only one signal would have appered to have gone astray, BCF to 5th Battle Squadron. Yes there were problems at Dogger Bank, but that was due to an unclear signal not not seeing it.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: fred. on 29 June 2020, 04:59:14 PM
Signals problem is WWI was as much down to radio being new and no-one having worked through the practical application of it, so you had the Admiralty giving orders directly to the ships.

Plus lots of reliance on short-range comms by flags, which had the problem of smoke and damage - which I suspect was hardly a new problem for WWI, but ranges were probably longer, so harder to see.

Plus RN focusing on volume of fire over accuracy - which was the reverse of the German approach. Coupled with manual range spotting trying to work amongst the scatter of lots of shooting from lots of different guns.


Title: Re: Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)
Post by: hammurabi70 on 30 June 2020, 12:17:54 AM
One of the major issues in WWI was that nobody realised the visibility issues so units at the periphery failed to inform the centre of what was happening.  In Nelson’s day, subject to smoke, the fleets were visible to the admirals.  At Jutland, Jellicoe was deploying his fleet of dreadnoughts without proper scouting intelligence.  There was too much of doing as one was told and not enough about ensuring effective communication.