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Title: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: Shedman on 03 January 2019, 05:52:18 PM
I'd like to see the ECW pikemen packs done without pikes so i can add my own pikes - pretty please
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 03 January 2019, 06:50:24 PM
Generally for all pike troops throughout the ranges.
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: Dave Fielder on 11 January 2019, 06:50:11 PM
Without Pike ...
"Vat is your name?"
"Don't tell him Pike"
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dont+tell+him+pike&view=detail&mid=4D3825EDA90D9663B7204D3825EDA90D9663B720&FORM=VIRE (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dont+tell+him+pike&view=detail&mid=4D3825EDA90D9663B7204D3825EDA90D9663B720&FORM=VIRE)
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: pierre the shy on 11 January 2019, 09:18:03 PM
Just to be different I ended up using Pendraken Scots ECW Pikemen because they had molded pikes attached  ;) 

Other manufacturers use open hands for their pikemen but the small size of the open hand means that I would have to faff around with gluing 200+ pikes which kind of put me off the other figures. Also I like the march/attack pose of the Pendraken pike men which gives the unit a more "aggressive" stance (I only used that pose) compared to the "stand still with my grounded pike" pose.   

FWIW all the pikemen in the newish Pendraken LOA range are open handed.

Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: FierceKitty on 12 January 2019, 01:05:12 AM
Quote from: pierre the shy on 11 January 2019, 09:18:03 PM


FWIW all the pikemen in the newish Pendraken LOA range are open handed.



Funny, they don't look Newish....No, it's OK, some of my best friends are Newish....
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: Orcs on 12 January 2019, 02:29:08 AM
I must admit the thought of gluing pikes to 10mm figures would put me off doing a pik army.  I accept that wire pikes liik better, but its moulded pikes all the time for me .
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: mollinary on 12 January 2019, 09:18:06 AM
For me, I have no problem with moulded pikes, my problem is with their length.  The Pendraken pikes are a scale 10-11ft long.  Even if cut down, as apparently happened, they should be 14-15ft long, and if not cut down, up to 18ft.  It is why I use AIM/Minifigs pikemen, even in units where the musketeers are Pendraken.  It would be brilliant to Pendraken pikemen with real pikes. If that is not possible for some technical reason, the. Open handed would be the next bets.
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: Techno on 12 January 2019, 10:45:55 AM
From 'where I sit', I see this as VERY difficult choice for Leon to make.

I would guess that it's around a 50/50 split from those who prefer 'open hands' .....and you have to make your own  'poles'...and those that prefer already made pikes.
If Leon had unlimited funds...I'm sure he'd go for two variants, to please everyone.

Sadly not really viable......So who wins ??

Cheers - Phil

Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: FierceKitty on 12 January 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Lazy tho' I be, I think in the long run being able to attach sturdier pikes (and lances) that don't turn into noodles is preferable.
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: John Cook on 12 January 2019, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: Shedman on 03 January 2019, 05:52:18 PM
I'd like to see the ECW pikemen packs done without pikes so i can add my own pikes - pretty please


I agree.  I cut all the 'telegraph poles' from my ECW, which are a bit too short anyway, and replaced them with brass rod.  Same thing with my Normans/Saxons and their lances/spears.  Not really a challenge as part of the general cleaning and prepping but it would be better to have 'open hands'.   
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: Orcs on 12 January 2019, 08:26:35 PM

I can fully see why some  want to replace Pikes/spears , but I have too big a lead/plastic/ resin mounting to glue on individual pikes or spears on 10mm figures, let alone cut off the ones already on the figure. I want to get my figures on the table not spend hours doing the pikes/spears.

But if your going to do this I guess open handed figures are best.
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: mollinary on 12 January 2019, 08:32:14 PM
I can live with either, but if you go for moulded on, just produce some which are the right length! 
With open hands, everyone can make their own choice.
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: pierre the shy on 13 January 2019, 02:09:57 AM
Quote from: Orcs on 12 January 2019, 08:26:35 PM
I can fully see why some  want to replace Pikes/spears , but I have too big a lead/plastic/ resin mounting to glue on individual pikes or spears on 10mm figures, let alone cut off the ones already on the figure. I want to get my figures on the table not spend hours doing the pikes/spears.

But if your going to do this I guess open handed figures are best.

+1 Orcs....I am using the pike figures that I have as depicted as according to Stuart Reid's books, which I personally believe are largely correct, both the Irish Brigade and Covenanters seem to have preferred to use shortened pikes anyway.

OTOH I think that highlanders were a bit more effective than Reid gives them credit for in his ECW books.   
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: Kiwidave on 13 January 2019, 04:35:09 AM
Wouldn't a pikeman without a pike just be 'man'?  :D
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: Steve J on 13 January 2019, 07:52:23 AM
Moulded on for me as it's one less thing to worry about or, even more frustrating, knocking off in a game.
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: Leon on 13 January 2019, 06:07:00 PM
This subject comes up every so often but I don't think we'd be looking to go down the route of open-hands on these figures.  We might try and lengthen them if we do some revamping though.  I think if you're someone who's happy to attach 100 pikes to figures, it's probably not too much extra work to clip 100 cast-on pikes off before attaching your own.  But with open hands, someone who doesn't like attaching pikes doesn't have any other option.
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: paulr on 13 January 2019, 06:38:59 PM
Don't forget to lengthen the foot standard bearers pole as well if you do that revamp
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: Womble67 on 14 January 2019, 12:53:34 PM
I definitely prefer figures without pikes

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: ECW Pikemen without pikes
Post by: d_Guy on 14 January 2019, 01:51:39 PM
We had this discussion when I had first gotten on the forum. I thought it would be a trivial issue to clip the pikes, open the hand and add a pike. I was wrong. OK, not completely wrong. Much depends on the figure. If the pike is held away from the body (the only points of contact being the base and hand) it is reasonably easy but getting the hand open takes a bit of work. Sometimes it can be drilled sometimes it has to be cut.

When the pike is attached directly to the leg and/or body, it is a pain to do. I have tried both cutting away the whole thing or cutting the top of the pike off, drilling a socket and adding the brass rod. Lots of time consuming work!

Brass rod looks the best but I live (mostly) with shorter, molded on pikes (heresy) because they are are long enough to indicate the figure is a pikeman. If moulded  on you are still faced with having to deal with trying to "stiffen" the pike (giving Orcs, et. al. an opening here  ;) )

I'm happy either way.

Incidently. Mollinary's masses of long (correctly proportioned) pikes are the cat's meow!