I'd like to see the ECW pikemen packs done without pikes so i can add my own pikes - pretty please
Generally for all pike troops throughout the ranges.
Without Pike ...
"Vat is your name?"
"Don't tell him Pike"
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Just to be different I ended up using Pendraken Scots ECW Pikemen because they had molded pikes attached ;)
Other manufacturers use open hands for their pikemen but the small size of the open hand means that I would have to faff around with gluing 200+ pikes which kind of put me off the other figures. Also I like the march/attack pose of the Pendraken pike men which gives the unit a more "aggressive" stance (I only used that pose) compared to the "stand still with my grounded pike" pose.
FWIW all the pikemen in the newish Pendraken LOA range are open handed.
Quote from: pierre the shy on 11 January 2019, 09:18:03 PM
FWIW all the pikemen in the newish Pendraken LOA range are open handed.
Funny, they don't
look Newish....No, it's OK, some of my best friends are Newish....
I must admit the thought of gluing pikes to 10mm figures would put me off doing a pik army. I accept that wire pikes liik better, but its moulded pikes all the time for me .
For me, I have no problem with moulded pikes, my problem is with their length. The Pendraken pikes are a scale 10-11ft long. Even if cut down, as apparently happened, they should be 14-15ft long, and if not cut down, up to 18ft. It is why I use AIM/Minifigs pikemen, even in units where the musketeers are Pendraken. It would be brilliant to Pendraken pikemen with real pikes. If that is not possible for some technical reason, the. Open handed would be the next bets.
From 'where I sit', I see this as VERY difficult choice for Leon to make.
I would guess that it's around a 50/50 split from those who prefer 'open hands' .....and you have to make your own 'poles'...and those that prefer already made pikes.
If Leon had unlimited funds...I'm sure he'd go for two variants, to please everyone.
Sadly not really viable......So who wins ??
Cheers - Phil
Lazy tho' I be, I think in the long run being able to attach sturdier pikes (and lances) that don't turn into noodles is preferable.
Quote from: Shedman on 03 January 2019, 05:52:18 PM
I'd like to see the ECW pikemen packs done without pikes so i can add my own pikes - pretty please
I agree. I cut all the 'telegraph poles' from my ECW, which are a bit too short anyway, and replaced them with brass rod. Same thing with my Normans/Saxons and their lances/spears. Not really a challenge as part of the general cleaning and prepping but it would be better to have 'open hands'.
I can fully see why some want to replace Pikes/spears , but I have too big a lead/plastic/ resin mounting to glue on individual pikes or spears on 10mm figures, let alone cut off the ones already on the figure. I want to get my figures on the table not spend hours doing the pikes/spears.
But if your going to do this I guess open handed figures are best.
I can live with either, but if you go for moulded on, just produce some which are the right length!
With open hands, everyone can make their own choice.
Quote from: Orcs on 12 January 2019, 08:26:35 PM
I can fully see why some want to replace Pikes/spears , but I have too big a lead/plastic/ resin mounting to glue on individual pikes or spears on 10mm figures, let alone cut off the ones already on the figure. I want to get my figures on the table not spend hours doing the pikes/spears.
But if your going to do this I guess open handed figures are best.
+1 Orcs....I am using the pike figures that I have as depicted as according to Stuart Reid's books, which I personally believe are largely correct, both the Irish Brigade and Covenanters seem to have preferred to use shortened pikes anyway.
OTOH I think that highlanders were a bit more effective than Reid gives them credit for in his ECW books.
Wouldn't a pikeman without a pike just be 'man'? :D
Moulded on for me as it's one less thing to worry about or, even more frustrating, knocking off in a game.
This subject comes up every so often but I don't think we'd be looking to go down the route of open-hands on these figures. We might try and lengthen them if we do some revamping though. I think if you're someone who's happy to attach 100 pikes to figures, it's probably not too much extra work to clip 100 cast-on pikes off before attaching your own. But with open hands, someone who doesn't like attaching pikes doesn't have any other option.
Don't forget to lengthen the foot standard bearers pole as well if you do that revamp
I definitely prefer figures without pikes
Take care
Andy
We had this discussion when I had first gotten on the forum. I thought it would be a trivial issue to clip the pikes, open the hand and add a pike. I was wrong. OK, not completely wrong. Much depends on the figure. If the pike is held away from the body (the only points of contact being the base and hand) it is reasonably easy but getting the hand open takes a bit of work. Sometimes it can be drilled sometimes it has to be cut.
When the pike is attached directly to the leg and/or body, it is a pain to do. I have tried both cutting away the whole thing or cutting the top of the pike off, drilling a socket and adding the brass rod. Lots of time consuming work!
Brass rod looks the best but I live (mostly) with shorter, molded on pikes (heresy) because they are are long enough to indicate the figure is a pikeman. If moulded on you are still faced with having to deal with trying to "stiffen" the pike (giving Orcs, et. al. an opening here ;) )
I'm happy either way.
Incidently. Mollinary's masses of long (correctly proportioned) pikes are the cat's meow!