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Title: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 09 October 2018, 10:12:07 PM
(https://pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/1809AlliesNotK.jpg)

Several years ago, we used a not-Kickstarter method to produce a new range of Mongols, which went down rather well and helped us put the range into production.  Well we're back for another project and this time we're heading to the Napoleonic period!

We've had several requests for an expansion of our 1809 ranges and we've chatted previously about gathering enough support for us to get them sculpted.  So this project is designed to do just that.  Forum member Zippee (Martin) has really taken the lead on this and helped us put together all of the lists and provided all of the reference material ready for our sculptor to get started.

So how does it work?

- Below is a list of the prospective ranges we'll be putting together, with the code, a brief description of the contents, and the price.

- If you would be interested in any of these items, please check through the list, and work out what you would purchase.

- Make a post here, stating what you would buy, such as 2 x NHD1, 2 x NDW3, etc.

- We'll total up your order and add you to the pledge list.

- If we have hit our target by midnight on October 31st, everyone who has pledged will be invoiced for 50% of your order.  Our sculptor will be given the go-ahead and we'll get them done through Nov/Dec/Jan.  We'll then get them moulded and start sending out customer orders at the end of February 2019.  Everyone will be invoiced for the remaining 50% + shipping once their order is ready to go.


What's the target?

We're looking to raise purchases over £3000 in total to allow us to start production.  This money is purely to cover the sculpting costs, we would then take on the cost of moulding and casting the orders at this end.  The range would be sculpted by Tony Q, the same sculptor who has done all of our 1809 and 1812-15 Nap ranges, so they would match perfectly with those other figures.


UPDATE - Target hit!

We're now good to go and everyone's getting some new figures!

This is where the fun starts now and we can add some extra items to the ranges:

At £3500 - We'll add the limbers to each range.   UNLOCKED and available to add to your pledge!

At £4000 - We'll add a pack of generic Napoleonic civilians to the range and add one as a freebie to every order.   UNLOCKED and added to all orders of 5 packs or more!

At £4500 - We'll add flags for each state to the ranges.  Anyone who's ordered at least 5 packs from any state will receive a free set of flags for that same state.

At £5000 - We'll add casualty figures to all of our Naps ranges.

Let's keep the pledges going and see what extras we can add!


The ranges:

Hesse Darmstadt
NHD1    Line/fusilier, march attack   £5.25
NHD2    Line/fusilier, firing line   £5.25
NHD3    Line/fusilier command   £5.25
NHD4    Mounted officers (5)    £1.75
NHD5    Chevaux-Legers   £5.25
NHD6    6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25
NHD7    7” Howitzers (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25
NHD8    Limber with team (2)    £5.25
PNFL514    Hesse-Darmstadt flagsheet     £2.50


Saxony
NSA1    Line infantry, march attack   £5.25
NSA2    Line infantry, firing line   £5.25
NSA3    Line command   £5.25
NSA4    Grenadiers, march attack, inc. command (16)   £2.80
NSA5    Leib Grenadiers, inc. command   £5.25
NSA6    Schutzen, march attack, inc. command (16)   £2.80
NSA7    Schutzen, firing, inc. command (16)   £2.80
NSA8    Mounted officers (5)    £1.75
NSA9    Light cavalry   £5.25
NSA10  Heavy cavalry   £5.25
NSA11  Hussars   £5.25
NSA12  6pdr guns (SYW) with crew (3)   £5.25
NSA13  7” Howitzers (SYW) with crew (3)   £5.25
NSA14   Limber with team (2)    £5.25
PNFL515    Saxony flagsheet     £2.50

Duchy of Warsaw
NDW1    Line/fusiliers, march attack (czapska)   £5.25
NDW2    Line/fusiliers, firing line (czapska)   £5.25
NDW3    Line/fusiliers command (czapska)   £5.25
NDW4    Line Elites (Volt/Gren), march attack (16) (czapska)   £2.80
NDW5    Line Elites (Volt/Gren), firing line (16) (czapska)   £2.80
NDW6    Line Elites (Grenadier), march attack (16) (bearskin)   £2.80
NDW7    Mounted officer (5)    £1.75
NDW8    Uhlans   £5.25
NDW9    Uhlan Elites (8 )    £2.80
NDW10  6pdr (SYW) with foot crew (3)   £5.25
NDW11  6pdr (SYW) with horse crew (3)   £5.25
NDW12  7” Howitzer (SYW) with foot crew (3)   £5.25
NDW13  7” Howitzer (SYW) with horse crew (3)   £5.25
NDW14  Limber with team (2)    £5.25
PNFL516    Duchy of Warsaw flagsheet     £2.50


Wurttemberg
NWU1    Line/fusilier, march attack   £5.25
NWU2    Line/fusilier, firing line   £5.25
NWU3    Line/fusilier command   £5.25
NWU4    Leichtes, inc. command   £5.25
NWU5    Mounted officers (5)   £1.75
NWU6    Grenadiers(16)   £2.80
NWU7    Jager, inc. command   £5.25
NWU8    Chevaux-Leger   £5.25
NWU9    Jager zu Pferd   £5.25
NWU10  6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew   £5.25
NWU11  12pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew   £5.25
NWU12  7pdr Howitzers (Nap Austrian) with crew   £5.25
NWU13  Limber with team (2)    £5.25
PNFL517    Wurttemberg flagsheet     £2.50

NPX2    Civilians (30)     £5.25

All packs contain 15 cavalry or 30 foot, priced at £5.25 per pack, unless otherwise stated.


So, that's everything.  If there are any questions, just let us know and we'll get them answered.  And of course, please spread this around anyone that you think might be interested in these ranges and push them this way.  The more interest and purchases that we can get, the more chance that these figures will reach production!


Pledges so far:

£1080.65 - Zippee (limbers included now!)
£117.35 - Shecky
£33.60  - sultanbev
£300.00 - SandyFalkirk
£188.30 - Jesus
£54.30   - Ben Waterhouse
£77.75   - kustenjaeger
£100.00 - Matt J
£202.05 - fsn
£202.65 - arjackie
£68.95   - Leon026
£210.00 - WeeWars
£114.10 - grahambeyrout
£662.20 - aleeper21
£33.95   - loupdemer
£117.95 - Scolty
£61.95   - rikster72
£122.15 - coleman16
£106.10 - DerehamBob
£58.95   - Vincer2
£72.80   - dimmy
£113.05 - quasar42
£10.50   - kabrank
£25.55   - Forez42
£73.20   - Hammerjock
£53.20   - Baron Snake-eyes

£4261.25 Total!!!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 09 October 2018, 10:22:38 PM
Hi Leon,

as discussed my pledge will amount to the following, hopefully that will get the ball rolling.

Saxony: 1200 infantry; 180 cavalry; 24 guns (plus crew); 12 limbers
Wurttemberg: 800 infantry; 80 cavalry; 19 guns (plus crew); 8 limbers
Hesse: 400 infantry; 20 cavalry; 6 guns (plus crew); 4 limbers
Baden: 350 infantry; 40 cavalry; 9 guns (plus crew); 4 limbers
Warsaw: 820 infantry; 150 cavalry; 15 guns (plus crew); 6 limbers
 
And if that needs a boost I’d be happy to add an Italian ally using the existing French range: 760 infantry; 80 cavalry; 30 guns (plus crew); 8 limbers
 
Oh and a bunch of those wurst 6pdrs of course 😊


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 09 October 2018, 10:31:59 PM
Excellent, that kicks things off in quite the style!  That lot comes to £900 for the current lists, hopefully we'll get enough pledged to add limbers to each of the ranges as well.  I've left the Italians off for now and we'll see if we need those to get us over the line.

 8)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Shecky on 10 October 2018, 12:03:15 AM
To start off with:

2x NSA1
1x NSA2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14
PNFL515

2x NDW1
1x NDW2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14
PNFL516

I’m building forces for Et Sans Resultat so these should fit in nicely.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Shecky on 10 October 2018, 12:10:57 AM
I’d also do a similar order for Italians if those get done.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 10 October 2018, 12:15:19 AM
2x NSA1
1x NSA2 - NSA9

2x NDW1
1x NDW2 - NDW9

Excellent, all added!

I’d also do a similar order for Italians if those get done.

There's no plans for Italians I'm afraid, but you can use the existing French as Zippee's going to do?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: fsn on 10 October 2018, 07:43:15 AM
Dammit! I'm never going to get the Korean War finished.

A question. Will the jaegers etc be in "skirmishing" poses? e.g. NWU7.

Also could someone remind me what the Warsaw headgear was at this time? I'm away from my reference books and can't remember.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Womble67 on 10 October 2018, 09:02:08 AM
I wish you all success with this new project

Take care

Andy


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: jaztez on 10 October 2018, 11:09:02 AM
Absolutely brilliant idea!

No idea how you'll get that sculpted and to production in four months mind you!

Leon - if this is a success, could we suggest other ranges to expand with 50% up front input?

I would certainly invest in WW1 East Africa and Italian Wars expansion.



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 10 October 2018, 12:20:46 PM
A question. Will the jaegers etc be in "skirmishing" poses? e.g. NWU7.

Yep, probably something similar to the Austrian ones:

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/905/NPA9.jpg)


Also could someone remind me what the Warsaw headgear was at this time? I'm away from my reference books and can't remember.

I've got czapska on the info that Zippee put together for us.


No idea how you'll get that sculpted and to production in four months mind you!

Leon - if this is a success, could we suggest other ranges to expand with 50% up front input?

I would certainly invest in WW1 East Africa and Italian Wars expansion.

We've got the sculptor on standby so he's raring to go.  We'll probably get him to send us each state as it's completed and then we can be getting on with the moulding while he's sculpting the next one. 

On future projects, the honest answer is I don't know.  It all depend on how well this one goes really.  Some of the recent releases haven't hit the ground running as much as they used to do, so this method allows us to 'test the water' a lot better and make sure there's a demand for what we're producing.

The East Africa range isn't a big area for either sales or requests so I wouldn't see that one being a priority unless we got some serious interest in it.  The Italian Wars has come up fairly regularly though and could be a candidate.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: fsn on 10 October 2018, 12:34:19 PM
Yep, probably something similar to the Austrian ones:
Oh dear.

I've got czapska on the info that Zippee put together for us.
Dammit. That makes them interesting.

I can see some reference book and spreadsheet work in my weekend.  :D


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: FierceKitty on 10 October 2018, 12:41:50 PM
I might be tempted to expand my renaissance armies if new shinies showed their heads.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: jaztez on 10 October 2018, 12:49:58 PM
"The Italian Wars has come up fairly regularly though and could be a candidate."

Well I'm doing 10mm Italian wars in the new year, so I would be in with a few hundred quid.

Good luck Napoleonic guys!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 10 October 2018, 01:05:37 PM
Oh dear.

We can swap that kneeling pose if you like, something more like the 1860 Austrian ones:

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/1323/AU9.jpg)

Well I'm doing 10mm Italian wars in the new year, so I would be in with a few hundred quid.

I don't think we'd be doing anything that quick!  If we go for another project, it'd likely be 12 month's time or so, towards the end of 2019.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: fsn on 10 October 2018, 02:33:25 PM
We can swap that kneeling pose if you like, something more like the 1860 Austrian ones:
That would be most appreciated.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: OldenBUA on 10 October 2018, 04:05:22 PM
Good luck with your project. Nothing for me, as I don't do anything in this period.

But just a thought. There was some discussion on this topic earlier. See http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,16990.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,16990.0.html) where some people have expressed interest already. Have you tried contacting them directly, as some may not visit the forum very often? Or is that a big no-no due to the GDP legislation nowadays?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 10 October 2018, 04:32:56 PM
But just a thought. There was some discussion on this topic earlier. See http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,16990.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,16990.0.html) where some people have expressed interest already. Have you tried contacting them directly, as some may not visit the forum very often? Or is that a big no-no due to the GDP legislation nowadays?

We'll be sending out a newsletter for the project tonight hopefully and I'll be contacting those guys to see if they're still interested.

 8)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 10 October 2018, 06:30:31 PM
I’d also do a similar order for Italians if those get done.

1809 Italians are essentially French in white coats (or green for the leggera) - chasseurs barely distinguishable from French although I'll admit the dragoons should be a bit more Empress dragoon like than French line, foot artillery is also French in style.

The  horse artillery though, that requires using the Warsaw horse artillery because czapskas!

So if you want Italians at least pledge for the Polish horse artillery  :D


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 10 October 2018, 06:38:04 PM
Dammit! I'm never going to get the Korean War finished.

A question. Will the jaegers etc be in "skirmishing" poses? e.g. NWU7.

Also could someone remind me what the Warsaw headgear was at this time? I'm away from my reference books and can't remember.


We made a decision on the Wurttemberg Leichtes and Jager the uniforms being so very similar that to reduce the number of sculpts we'd do one skirmishing, the other marching and allow purchasers to decide - I guess if we crack the target we could look at doing both options for both. Otherwise poses I believe will reflect the mix of poses in the other 1809 packs.


The Warsaw infantry are overwhelmingly in czapska, fusiliers and voltigeur/grenadier because that was the issue for 1807-9 (putting aside what was actually worn due to chaotic supply methods for the moment). However we have included grenadiers in bearskin to allow 1810 onwards as it was a very common appropriation for grenadier companies. The chasseurs a cheval are in shako and essentially French as are the hussars, the uhlans are in czapskas naturally. Foot artillery are in shako, horse in czapska (from 1810 they adopt a colpack so you can use French Guard Horse Artillery). Hope that helps




Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 10 October 2018, 06:40:12 PM
Yep, probably something similar to the Austrian ones:

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/905/NPA9.jpg)


If I had a vote I'd opt for firing and loading/advancing rather than the kneeling pose. it may just be me but on the table it just looks like tall and squat firing pose, having a distinct second pose adds a greater perception of variance.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 10 October 2018, 07:09:02 PM
There's no plans for Italians I'm afraid, but you can use the existing French as Zippee's going to do?

Never mind the Italians, what about Neapolitans? Okay, apart from standards I can use French infantry, but the cavalry are fairly unique.

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 10 October 2018, 07:23:56 PM
There's no plans for Italians I'm afraid, but you can use the existing French as Zippee's going to do?

Never mind the Italians, what about Neapolitans? Okay, apart from standards I can use French infantry, but the cavalry are fairly unique.

Mark

Please itemise their commitment to the 1809 campaign  :D


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 10 October 2018, 07:37:05 PM
Please itemise their commitment to the 1809 campaign  :D
They were defending France's southern borders from a joint Spanish-British-Portuguese invasion to take pressure off the Austrians...... :)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 10 October 2018, 07:42:32 PM
Damn, I posted a pledge and some questions and it's disappeared  :'(



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 10 October 2018, 07:55:47 PM
Okay, here's some thoughts if I can remember what I tried to post.

Kneeling skirmishers - no, I don't use kneeling figures, so yes, replace them with stood/running figures is fine.
Artillery - I prefer the 2 guns, 8 crew, 2x 4-horse limbers in one set as this is how I field my batteries. So don't leave out limbers where they are not currently available.

I'm doing my Napoleonics at 1:10 so most battalions are 50-90 figures, and cavalry regiments 40-100 ish. I tend to build entire corps too, so over time will be buyng lots of troops.

Some Polish Legions c1800 will be coming up on my to-do list next year, so I'll be after some Poles. The Hesse-Darmstadt range would be good, as you can never have enough infantry in bicornes for doing earlier armies.

As I'm no longer building lead mountains, but buying units as I paint the previous bought ones*, my initial pledge is
4x NDW1    Line/fusiliers, march attack   £5.25
1x NDW3    Line/fusiliers command   £5.25
2x NDW4    Line Elites (Volt/Gren), march attack NO COMMAND (16)    £2.80
1x NDW7    Mounted officer (5)    £1.75


* it's worked so far, I have a brigade of 1812 Austrians painted in a month, with 2 batteries and 2 ammo wagons, and you know how big those Austrian battalions are!

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Chris Pringle on 10 October 2018, 08:49:16 PM
Dammit! I'm never going to get the Korean War finished.

I don't think the Koreans have finished it either, have they?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 10 October 2018, 09:00:47 PM
Kneeling skirmishers - no, I don't use kneeling figures, so yes, replace them with stood/running figures is fine.
Artillery - I prefer the 2 guns, 8 crew, 2x 4-horse limbers in one set as this is how I field my batteries. So don't leave out limbers where they are not currently available.

We'll make sure the skirmishers are in standing/firing/running type poses, no worries there.  The artillery will be in packs of 3 guns + crew as standard, but we can sort out your 2 gun / 2 limber packs once everything is done.  We'll just need to hit our targets and add those to the list!

4x NDW1    Line/fusiliers, march attack   £5.25
1x NDW3    Line/fusiliers command   £5.25
2x NDW5    Line Elites (Volt/Gren), firing line, NO COMMAND (16)    £2.80
1x NDW6    Mounted officer (5)    £1.75

Thanks for that, added to the list!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 10 October 2018, 09:15:51 PM
Oh yes, I remember what else I posted. Ahem

if all 2155 members of the forum go and buy $10 of MicroMark lists over at the Wargames Vault by this deadline, I can fund the other £2K of pledges and pay for the missing 1812 Russian light cavalry as well.....  :o

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 10 October 2018, 10:34:18 PM
They were defending France's southern borders from a joint Spanish-British-Portuguese invasion to take pressure off the Austrians...... :)


I thought they were garrisoning Italian coastal defences (those that existed by 1809) in order to free up the northern Italian field army and French units stationed there but same end effect.  :o


Neapolitans are only really needed for 1812-13 and their real moment of glory in 1815 I felt it was a stretch to push them as part of the core 1809 range  ;D


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 10 October 2018, 10:36:37 PM
Oh yes, I remember what else I posted. Ahem

if all 2155 members of the forum go and buy $10 of MicroMark lists over at the Wargames Vault by this deadline, I can fund the other £2K of pledges and pay for the missing 1812 Russian light cavalry as well.....  :o

Mark

So what are MicroMark lists and why do we need them [apart from fulfilling this pledge?]


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 10 October 2018, 11:00:41 PM
They are A4 downloadable organisation charts, covering Napoleonics through to modern. Not tied to any rules set, include:
Revolutionary Wars
Napoleonics (including mainstream stuff such as Indians, Ghurkas, US militia, Turks, Mexicans, Omanis, Chinese, Persians...)
random 19th Century conflicts
Franco-Prussian War
Russo-Japanese War
Satsuma Rebellion
Balkans Wars
Mexican war c1912 (forget what it's called)
WW1
RCW
SCW
WW2 (including some nuetrals)
Cold War 1950s-1989
Vietnam
Korean War
India-Pakistan Wars
Gulf War 1
Balkans 1990s
Arab-Israeli wars
Post-Cold War modern

There's over 3000 in the catalogue, most a quid each, and always more to come, and I do sometimes do requests. A free sample list is A1A US Armoured Division 1944-45 is available:
https://www.wargamevault.com/product/84467/A1A-American-Armoured-Division-19441945?cPath=5776_5890

The idea being to give you enough data to buy the figures and vehicles you need for wargaming purposes. A lot of the early lists are generic divisions, but these days I write specific units with all their individual variations where they can be found. And once purchased, you get free updates for as long as the internet exists, as and when lists are corrected and/or updated.

https://www.wargamevault.com/browse/pub/3426/MicroMark-Army-Lists?src=browse3426

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 10 October 2018, 11:06:18 PM

I thought they were garrisoning Italian coastal defences (those that existed by 1809) in order to free up the northern Italian field army and French units stationed there but same end effect.  :o


Neapolitans are only really needed for 1812-13 and their real moment of glory in 1815 I felt it was a stretch to push them as part of the core 1809 range  ;D


Yes, true, some regiments were in Spain, the rest glaring at the Royal Navy in the Med, and biffing rebels and bandits in various places. The only unique figures they really need is a standard bearer with the prancing pony instead of an eagle, and 2-3 cavalry types (lancers in shako, cuirassiers in plain bearskin, hussars in shako I think), the rest are pretty much the same as French figures. But yes, an idle digression for now, 1812 Russian light cavalry and Opelchenie are far more glaring omissions that need filling first.

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Orcs on 11 October 2018, 03:27:09 AM
Good luck with this. Looks like another excellent range.

I am afraid it's not my period, so I will decline.

Had it been biblical armies  I would have ordered a couple of armies


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Sandyfalkirk on 11 October 2018, 09:40:18 AM
Hi

We need to get the word out.

I don't have time yet to check this all but I know I'm going to rant everything at some point so....


Count me in for 200 as a certainty.

I play GdB and like big battalions.... So will need hugels brigade, saxons, hessians, plus i want poles, especially lancers

Need to work this out later but at worst, simply add my £200 to what's most common

Let's do this


Just realised... You only need 50% by end of month.

So that's actually better. Put me down for £300

As you only need half now so all good.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: jaztez on 11 October 2018, 11:17:25 AM
"We need to get the word out. "

Then do it lol.

Has anyone posted on the miniatures page yet?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: toxicpixie on 11 October 2018, 11:24:21 AM
I've stuck it on my FaceAche painting page, but as about the only people who watch it are all on here it's probably redundant! I recently got some Risk figures for generic 10mm Nappies, but if/when I might supplement them with a few bits and bobs...


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 11 October 2018, 12:26:05 PM
So that's actually better. Put me down for £300

Excellent, thanks for that!

Has anyone posted on the miniatures page yet?

There's a News Story going off to them tonight, as well as Wargames Website and then posts on a few of the other forums.  We've hit Facebook on our own page which then got shared about quite extensively by Womble67 which was great.  I'll be doing another round of shares this weekend as well.  And then finally I'll be popping it through to the magazines and asking them to put it on their sites/pages.

We sent a mailshot out to all the Forum members last night, so that should generate some interest over the coming days.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Jesus on 11 October 2018, 12:36:10 PM
Hello.
NSA1 8
NSA2 1
NSA3 1
NSA4 2
NSA7 1
NSA8 1
NSA9 2
NSA11 2
NSA12 2
NSA13 1
NDW1 8
NDW2 1
NDW3 1
NDW6 1
NDW7 1
NDW8 2
NDW9 2
NDW10 2
NDW12 1


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 11 October 2018, 12:47:58 PM
They are A4 downloadable organisation charts, covering Napoleonics through to modern. Not tied to any rules set, include:
Revolutionary Wars
Napoleonics (including mainstream stuff such as Indians, Ghurkas, US militia, Turks, Mexicans, Omanis, Chinese, Persians...)
random 19th Century conflicts
Franco-Prussian War
Russo-Japanese War
Satsuma Rebellion
Balkans Wars
Mexican war c1912 (forget what it's called)
WW1
RCW
SCW
WW2 (including some nuetrals)
Cold War 1950s-1989
Vietnam
Korean War
India-Pakistan Wars
Gulf War 1
Balkans 1990s
Arab-Israeli wars
Post-Cold War modern

There's over 3000 in the catalogue, most a quid each, and always more to come, and I do sometimes do requests. A free sample list is A1A US Armoured Division 1944-45 is available:
https://www.wargamevault.com/product/84467/A1A-American-Armoured-Division-19441945?cPath=5776_5890

The idea being to give you enough data to buy the figures and vehicles you need for wargaming purposes. A lot of the early lists are generic divisions, but these days I write specific units with all their individual variations where they can be found. And once purchased, you get free updates for as long as the internet exists, as and when lists are corrected and/or updated.

https://www.wargamevault.com/browse/pub/3426/MicroMark-Army-Lists?src=browse3426

Mark


Sounds interesting, I'm off to take a look . . .


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 11 October 2018, 12:53:32 PM
Yes, true, some regiments were in Spain, the rest glaring at the Royal Navy in the Med, and biffing rebels and bandits in various places. The only unique figures they really need is a standard bearer with the prancing pony instead of an eagle, and 2-3 cavalry types (lancers in shako, cuirassiers in plain bearskin, hussars in shako I think), the rest are pretty much the same as French figures. But yes, an idle digression for now, 1812 Russian light cavalry and Opelchenie are far more glaring omissions that need filling first.

Mark

LOL and there was me thinking that 1805-10 era Russians were vastly more vital  :D

along with backwards expansion of the Austrian and French ranges to suit 1800-05 and expansion of the Hessian/Saxon range into 1806-07 Prussian.

At that point I might concede that 1812 is due*  8)

*even I will accept that 1807 era Wurttembergers et al are fairly niche


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 11 October 2018, 01:00:57 PM
NSA1 8
NSA2 1
NSA3 1
NSA4 2
NSA 5 1
NSA6 1
NSA7 2
NSA8 2
NSA9 2
NSA10 1
NDW1 8
NDW2 1
NDW3 1
NDW4 1
NDW6 1
NDW7 2
NDW8 2
NDW9 2
NDW11 1

Excellent, thank you!  We're over halfway now, let's keep it going!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 11 October 2018, 06:39:23 PM
LOL and there was me thinking that 1805-10 era Russians were vastly more vital  :D


I always think there is a massive difference between finishing off a range compared to starting a complete new one. Eg to finish the 1812 Russians would take maybe 11 codes, the first 5 essential:
Uhlans
Hussars
Don Cossacks
Opelchenie with pike
Opelchenie with muskets

Jager di Pferde in kiwers, which would also do for a Swedish cavalry regiment
Ural Cossacks
Bashkirs with bow and armour
Tarters
Black Sea Cossacks
Don Cossack artillery

Whereas you'd be starting from scratch with the earlier era Russians,

Mark



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Chad on 11 October 2018, 07:45:48 PM
Mark

I thought the only difference between the early and late Russian infantry was the shako.

Chad


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Chad on 11 October 2018, 07:47:45 PM
Of course I forgot the baclpack, which was also different.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Chad on 11 October 2018, 07:57:51 PM
It’s a pity this idea could not have been tried for the French Revolution remodelling and expansion. Would have saved me investing in 15mm. 😩


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 11 October 2018, 08:12:03 PM
"I thought the only difference between the early and late Russian infantry was the shako. "

It is as far as I know, and indeed, more recent research implies that even in 1812 most Russian infantry still had the 1809 shako, not the Kiwer. Not sure about the cavalry either, don't think they changed either. (You can tell I've never really looked at 1809 Russians....)

Looks like my arguement is in tatters and it's actually cheaper and quicker to start an 1809 Russian range than it is to finish the 1812 range. doh!
Although, many on my list would be suitable for the 1809 range.

Okay, re-reading the Osprey MAA185, it gets more complicated.
Shako from 1805-June 1809 plain with pompom, cylindrical backpack worn at angle, with metal mess tin attached (which means the previous bicornes were probably worn to 1807 in some units)
July 1808 the backpack replaced by rectanguler black one, rolled greatcoat slung over left shoulder (which means the cylindrical one was probably worn until late 1809 in some units)
shako with chords June 1809 onwards (which means the plain shako probably worn until 1810ish)

So for 1809 Russian infantry, you'd have 3 options alone, before you even get to the grenadiers in their fat bog-brush plumes, which I would suspect had similar options:
Grenadiers:
1) plain shako with bog-brush plume, cylindrical backpack
2) plain shako with bog-brush plume, rectangular back pack
3) shako with chords & bog-brush plume, rectangular backpack (June 1809-Feb 1811)
with {for later reference}
4) shako with chords & tall thin plume, rectangular backpack (Feb 1811-1812)

Jagers appeared to follow the line infantry patterns after dropping the top hat in 1806ish.

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 11 October 2018, 08:13:30 PM
It’s a pity this idea could not have been tried for the French Revolution remodelling and expansion. Would have saved me investing in 15mm. 😩

Which French revolution remodelling was that? Did I miss something? Because the current range has no cavalry....
And no infantry in top hats or korshuts and long tailed coats.

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 11 October 2018, 09:31:16 PM
I always think there is a massive difference between finishing off a range compared to starting a complete new one. Eg to finish the 1812 Russians would take maybe 11 codes, the first 5 essential:

Whereas you'd be starting from scratch with the earlier era Russians,

Mark


True but I see it as completing the 1809 range - Russia was involved as a belligerent after all  :D

And you can backdate Austria with 2 packs of Hungarian fusiliers in helmets essentially

And the 1812 range is old, my understanding is it is in need of updating wholesale, not adding to. So in effect it also should start from scratch with remodelling.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Chad on 11 October 2018, 10:29:17 PM
mark

You didn’t miss anything. I just thought this idea of Not-Kickstarter May have been a way to do it. C’est la vie!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 11 October 2018, 10:51:23 PM
Just a quick note on the Revolutionary ranges as we've not discussed those for some time now.  The last time we chatted about redoing/expanding those ranges there was a lot of support for it, but the consensus was that folks wanted them done by Clibinarium.  That was really the stumbling block for it as Clib is very much in demand and his time is limited these days, so we weren't really able to proceed with anything.  If folks would be happy for them to be done by Tony (like our other Naps-era ranges) then we can look at it as a more feasible option in the future.

 8)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 11 October 2018, 10:57:25 PM
If folks would be happy for them to be done by Tony (like our other Naps-era ranges) then we can look at it as a more feasible option in the future.

Ah, being new to this 10mm malarky I'm not aware of the differences between styles and who did what ranges.
The 1812 Austrians I'm painting at the moment look fine to me, but I gather they are an older range?
I'll see soon enough when the next package arrives as I've ordered some Rev Wars and 1809 stuff,

Anyways, if this 1809 not-kickstarter works, it'll give impetuous for a Rev Wars one later next year perhaps,

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 12 October 2018, 02:57:35 PM
NWU1 x 2
NWU3 x 1
NWU4 x 1
NWU5 x 1
NWU6 x 2
NWU7 x 1
NWU8 x 1
NWU11 x 1
NWU13 x 1 - Added

Ta...

Oh and I’m cool with Tony doing the Rev Range as long as there are Dromedaries...


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Chad on 12 October 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Leon

It would not have mattered to me who did them. However, having now invested heavily in 15mm for the French Revolution I regret it will be of little interest.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 12 October 2018, 04:46:38 PM
NWU1 x 2
NWU3 x 1
NWU4 x 1
NWU5 x 1
NWU6 x 1
NWU7 x 1
NWU8 x 1
NWU11 x 1

Thanks for that, added to the list!


It would not have mattered to me who did them. However, having now invested heavily in 15mm for the French Revolution I regret it will be of little interest.

I understand and it's a shame we've never been able to get something sorted out.  The Revolutionary ranges have been bounced around for many years and there was a large group willing to put the money in but it all got a bit messy and never got beyond the ranges we've got now.  The last time they tried to resurrect the project the consensus was for Clib to do the sculpting and that pretty much stopped any progress as we had other things on the go.

We'll come back to it at some point but I see it as part of the continued Naps expansion now, and it'll be scheduled in as we work through the different sections of the Naps period.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: kustenjaeger on 12 October 2018, 04:58:51 PM
Greetings

Hessians for me for a 1:20 brigade.

7 X NHD1    Line/fusilier, march attack   £5.25
1 X NHD2    Line/fusilier, firing line   £5.25
1 X NHD3    Line/fusilier command   £5.25
1 X NHD4    Mounted officers (5)    £1.75
1 X NHD5    Chevaux-Legers   £5.25
1 X NHD6    6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25
1 X NHD7    7” Howitzers (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25
2 X NHD8    Limbers

So about £75.25, I think.

Regards

Edward


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 12 October 2018, 05:59:18 PM
7 X NHD1    Line/fusilier, march attack   £5.25
1 X NHD2    Line/fusilier, firing line   £5.25
1 X NHD3    Line/fusilier command   £5.25
1 X NHD4    Mounted officers (5)    £1.75
1 X NHD5    Chevaux-Legers   £5.25
1 X NHD6    6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25
1 X NHD7    7” Howitzers (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25

Thanks for that Edward, much appreciated!

 8)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Matt J on 12 October 2018, 07:54:44 PM
Hi Leon

Put me down for £100, not sure what packs yet. Didn't have any plans for Naps but feel like I'm missing out otherwise  :D

Matt


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: fsn on 12 October 2018, 07:55:43 PM
That's the spirit!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 12 October 2018, 08:34:59 PM
Just a quick note on the Revolutionary ranges as we've not discussed those for some time now.  The last time we chatted about redoing/expanding those ranges there was a lot of support for it, but the consensus was that folks wanted them done by Clibinarium.  That was really the stumbling block for it as Clib is very much in demand and his time is limited these days, so we weren't really able to proceed with anything.  If folks would be happy for them to be done by Tony (like our other Naps-era ranges) then we can look at it as a more feasible option in the future.

 8)


Whilst I have all the admiration in the world for Clib's sculpting skill (and not a little bit of evil green jealousy) I'd actually prefer for the Rev range to be sculpted by Tony - and the rest of the Nap range too. I'd much prefer uniformity of style within a particular set of linked ranges than having it spread about - it's not talent levels it's compatibility.


So I'd be all up for a Rev War non-KS at some point - will need a period of painting grace though for this one  :D


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 12 October 2018, 08:36:07 PM
Hi Leon

Put me down for £100, not sure what packs yet. Didn't have any plans for Naps but feel like I'm missing out otherwise  :D

Matt

Spiffing example, now if just every forum member would be so gracious and community spirited all these non-KS projects would get funded and we'd all be happier for it.

Huzzah for the hive minded community!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 12 October 2018, 08:42:51 PM

Whilst I have all the admiration in the world for Clib's sculpting skill (and not a little bit of evil green jealousy) I'd actually prefer for the Rev range to be sculpted by Tony - and the rest of the Nap range too. I'd much prefer uniformity of style within a particular set of linked ranges than having it spread about - it's not talent levels it's compatibility.


So I'd be all up for a Rev War non-KS at some point - will need a period of painting grace though for this one  :D

Seconded!
Id be buying a lot more Rev wars era stuff than 1809, as there are a fascinating variety of armies and units in the earlier period. A lot of the relevant army lists are done for the smaller nations, eg in Italy,  so we have data on all the unit types required. Although I suspect you'll not be doing the extras needed for 1797 Venetians (Cranide marines, Croatian riflemen skirmishing foot, and on horseback).

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Steve J on 12 October 2018, 09:35:54 PM
It would be great to see the Revolutionary Period re-sculpted and finished as I think it would be a great period to game. Having it sculpted by Clib would be wonderful, but I agree with others that a uniformity of look would be better.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: fsn on 12 October 2018, 09:42:04 PM
Could you put me down for ...

5 x NWU1
2 x NWU3
2 x NWU5
3 x NWU6
4 x NWU7
4 x NWU8
4 x NWU9
3 x NWU10
5 x NWU13

£161.00


I've only gone Wurttemberg at the moment, and only half of what I want really.  I would be looking to buy more in future.   :D


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 12 October 2018, 10:22:06 PM
Put me down for £100, not sure what packs yet. Didn't have any plans for Naps but feel like I'm missing out otherwise  :D

5 NWU1
2 NWU3
2 NWU5
3 NWU6
4 NWU7
4 NWU8
4 NWU9
3 NWU10

Thanks for the pledges!

 8)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: mad lemmey on 13 October 2018, 08:07:32 AM
My issue is that I'm not interested in any of these stages, could I pledge £50 to the pot and have a few Bavarians instead? Maybe the equivalent of an army pack (c£35 worth) and ignore the difference)?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: kustenjaeger on 13 October 2018, 08:23:11 AM
Greetings

I notice the absence of Badeners - is this because they are close enough to Bavarians?

Regards

Edward


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 13 October 2018, 01:37:33 PM
We've made some slight alterations to the lists based on feedback with Zippee:

Saxony
NSA5    Leib Grenadiers, inc. command   

Leib Grenadiers added to the list, we can do these as a quick conversion on the regular grenadiers.

NSA6    Schutzen, march attack, inc. command (16)   £2.80
NSA7    Schutzen, firing, inc. command (16)   £2.80

Schutzen split into march attack and firing types, with both now being 16-man packs.

NSA10  Heavy cavalry   £5.25

Heavy cavalry added, these are another conversion job from the lights.

Duchy of Warsaw
NDW4    Line Elites (Volt/Gren), march attack (16) (czapska)   £2.80
NDW5    Line Elites (Volt/Gren), firing line (16) (czapska)   £2.80

The Volt/Gren Elites have been split into march attack and firing, both in czapska, in addition to the grenadiers in bearskin we've already got listed.

I've edited/updated all of the pledges so far, so no need for anyone to worry about their lists!  Just let us know if you'd like to include any of these as well!

 8)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 13 October 2018, 08:53:21 PM
Ah,  Leon, will have to change my pledge, remove the NDW5 and replace with NDW4,

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: paulr on 13 October 2018, 09:24:42 PM
Unfortunately I'm too heavily invested in 6mm Napoleonics to make a pledge :(

I really admire this approach from Pendraken, the flexibility willingness to respond to feedback is really impressive =D> =D> =D>

Are there two poses in each of the newly split Schutzen and Line Elites packs, just curious


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 13 October 2018, 09:40:03 PM
Ah,  Leon, will have to change my pledge, remove the NDW5 and replace with NDW4,

No worries, done!

I really admire this approach from Pendraken, the flexibility willingness to respond to feedback is really impressive =D> =D> =D>

Are there two poses in each of the newly split Schutzen and Line Elites packs, just curious

Thanks for the post, there's two poses in each of those packs.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Shecky on 13 October 2018, 10:58:40 PM
Leon,

Please add to my order:

NSA5, NSA7 and NSA10
NDW4

Thanks


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 13 October 2018, 11:07:52 PM
Greetings

I notice the absence of Badeners - is this because they are close enough to Bavarians?

Regards

Edward

Essentially yes. Bavarian or Wurrtemberg depending with Hussars from the French. Just couldn't justify the sculpting for really minor differences in helmet configuration.

You have to draw the Lind somewhere and Baden was on the wrong side 😁


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: arjackie on 14 October 2018, 01:10:51 AM
Hi Leon

I wish to pledge
1x of each.  You will need to do the math for me as I am doing this in my mobile and I can’t see the list while I am posting.

I would look at the following totalling €172.9 in fact now you have added to the range please put me down for the below and 1 pack of each I am missing.

NHD2    Line/fusilier, firing line   £5.25
NHD3    Line/fusilier command   £5.25
NHD4    Mounted officers (5)    £1.75
NHD5    Chevaux-Legers   £5.25
NHD6    6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25
NHD7    7” Howitzers (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)   £5.25

Saxony
NSA1    Line infantry, march attack   £5.25
NSA3    Line command   £5.25
NSA4    Grenadiers, inc. command   £5.25
NSA5    Schutzen, inc. command   £5.25
NSA6    Mounted officers (5)    £1.75
NSA7    Light cavalry   £5.25
NSA8    Hussars   £5.25
NSA9    8pdr guns (SYW) with crew (3)   £5.25
NSA10  8” Howitzers (SYW) with crew (3)   £5.25

Duchy of Warsaw
NDW2    Line/fusiliers, firing line   £5.25
NDW3    Line/fusiliers command   £5.25
NDW4    Line Elites (Grenadier), march attack, inc. command (16)    £2.80
NDW5    Line Elites (Volt/Gren), firing line, inc. command (16)    £2.80
NDW6    Mounted officer (5)    £1.75
NDW7    Uhlans   £5.25
NDW8    Uhlan Elites (8 )    £2.80
NDW9    6pdr (SYW) with foot crew (3)   £5.25
NDW10   6pdr (SYW) with horse crew (3)   £5.25
NDW11   7” Howitzer (SYW) with foot crew (3)   £5.25
NDW12   7” Howitzer (SYW) with horse crew (3)   £5.25

Wurttemberg
NWU1    Line/fusilier, march attack   £5.25
NWU3    Line/fusilier command   £5.25
NWU4    Leichtes, inc. command   £5.25
NWU5    Mounted officers (5)   £1.75
NWU6    Grenadiers, inc. command   £5.25
NWU7    Jager, inc. command   £5.25
NWU8    Chevaux-Leger   £5.25
NWU9    Jager zu Pferd   £5.25
NWU10    6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew   £5.25
NWU11    12pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew   £5.25
NWU11    7pdr Howitzers (Nap Austrian) with crew   £5.25

All packs contain 15 cavalry or 30 foot, priced at £5.25 per pack, unless otherwise stated.


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Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 14 October 2018, 02:50:14 AM
Please add to my order:

NSA5, NSA7 and NSA10
NDW4

No worries, I've added those to your original post and updated the totals.

 8)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 14 October 2018, 02:52:18 AM
I wish to pledge
1x of each.  You will need to do the math for me as I am doing this in my mobile and I can’t see the list while I am posting.

I would look at the following totalling €172.9 in fact now you have added to the range please put me down for the below and 1 pack of each I am missing.

Thanks for the post and welcome to the Forum!  Is that 1 of each code across all the ranges?  I've added that to the pledge list, let me know if I've got that wrong.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 14 October 2018, 02:54:21 AM
And that puts us past the £2000 mark after 5 days!  Still over 2 weeks to go, so let's keep it going and see what extra goodies we can unlock!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 14 October 2018, 08:50:57 AM
My issue is that I'm not interested in any of these stages, could I pledge £50 to the pot and have a few Bavarians instead? Maybe the equivalent of an army pack (c£35 worth) and ignore the difference)?


I think we agreed that that was permissible but I guess it's Leon's call - my reserve pledge for Italians from the French range is based on that premise though, so I hope its OK  :D

To my mind it makes sense - the goal is to pull in some capital, can't see why it matters which models get spun . . .


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Matt J on 14 October 2018, 01:40:27 PM
Not sure that makes sense really :-

I think part of the idea is to see if the range is viable. Otherwise everyone planning to place an order in the next two week could say its a pledge and have whatever they want!

I don't think this will have any issues hitting the target without going off at tangents.



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon026 on 14 October 2018, 02:40:26 PM
x3 NDW1
x2 NDW2
x2 NDW3
x2 NDW4
x2 NDW5 
x3 NDW7
x2 NDW8
x1 NDW10


For both Line/Elite in firing line, I'd like to see if possible some reloading animations like from the hungarian firing line. They're ace and adds a nice feel to skirmishing and even formed troops firing.

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/911/NPA15.jpg)


What will be the exact difference between Line and Elite in terms of habit? I'm guessing that similar to the French, the Elite will have plumes, cords and epaulettes, rather than just pompom?


My 2020 project here we go :3


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 14 October 2018, 04:11:35 PM
x3 NDW1
x2 NDW2
x2 NDW3
x2 NDW4
x2 NDW5 
x3 NDW7
x2 NDW8
x1 NDW10

Thanks for that, added to the list!

For both Line/Elite in firing line, I'd like to see if possible some reloading animations like from the hungarian firing line. They're ace and adds a nice feel to skirmishing and even formed troops firing.

No worries, we'll make sure that gets done.

What will be the exact difference between Line and Elite in terms of habit? I'm guessing that similar to the French, the Elite will have plumes, cords and epaulettes, rather than just pompom?

I'll let Zippee answer that one, the sculpting notes I've got here show them as very similar.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 14 October 2018, 04:13:41 PM
My issue is that I'm not interested in any of these stages, could I pledge £50 to the pot and have a few Bavarians instead? Maybe the equivalent of an army pack (c£35 worth) and ignore the difference)?

Sorry for missing this Will!  I think at the moment we'll keep it to the new ranges only and hopefully we can hit the target.  If we find we're getting short towards the end of the month, then we'll see what we can do to boost the total.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: mad lemmey on 14 October 2018, 04:36:48 PM
 :-bd =D> >:<


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 14 October 2018, 07:16:57 PM

What will be the exact difference between Line and Elite in terms of habit? I'm guessing that similar to the French, the Elite will have plumes, cords and epaulettes, rather than just pompom?


Both fusiliers, voltigeurs and Grenadiers had identical czapskas replete with cords, pom-pom and plume, differing only in colour.

Therefore the differences between elites and fusiliers were epaulettes and cross belts for the elites, shoulder straps and single belt for fusiliers as usual.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: kustenjaeger on 14 October 2018, 07:27:09 PM
Greetings

So, if I am sorting out the Baden brigade in Legrand's division (as well as the light Dragoons in Marulaz's cavalry), which Wurttemberg figures will I need?

Regards

Edward


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: WeeWars on 14 October 2018, 08:21:34 PM
Hi Leon

Great to see the 1809 range up and kicking again after so many years!

You can put me down for a pledge of £183.40

I notice there is at least one troop type listed that I have converted myself -

www.michaelscott.name/1809/1809blogpost156.htm (http://www.michaelscott.name/1809/1809blogpost156.htm)

Hey Edward

One Baden troop type here, part of Marulaz's command:

www.michaelscott.name/1809/1809blogpost155.htm (http://www.michaelscott.name/1809/1809blogpost155.htm)

You will also need NWU8 - and NHD5 for the ones I've converted, above.

Lots more on Marulaz's command on the blog.

Cheers, Michael


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 14 October 2018, 08:48:34 PM
You can put me down for a pledge of £183.40

Excellent, thanks for that Michael!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 14 October 2018, 08:57:15 PM
Pledge received from grahambeyrout by email:

NHD1   x 3  Line/fusilier, march attack
NHD3   x1  Line/fusilier command
NHD5   x1  Chevaux-Legers
NHD6  x 1  6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew (3)

NSA1    x3  Line infantry, march attack
NSA3    x1  Line command
NSA8    x 1 Mounted officers (5)
NSA9    x1  Light cavalry
1 X NSA 6
1 X NSA 10

NWU1    x3 Line/fusilier, march attack
NWU3    x1 Line/fusilier command
NWU4   x1  Leichtes, inc. command
NWU5    x1 Mounted officers (5)
NWU6    x1Grenadiers, inc. command
NWU7    x1 Jager, inc. command
NWU9    x1 Jager zu Pferd
NWU10   x1 6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew  


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: aleeper21 on 14 October 2018, 10:36:18 PM
Leon,
Here is my pledge:

Hess-Darmstadt:

NHD1 x6
        2 x1
        3 x3
        4 x2
        5 x3
        6 x1
        7 x1

Wurttemberg:

NWU1 x10
         2 x3
         3 x6
         4 x3
         5 x4
         6 x5
         7 x3
         8 x4
         9 x4
         10x2
         11x1
         12x1

Saxony:

NSA1 x 20
       2 x 3
       3 x 8
       4 x 5
       5 x 2
       6 x 2
       7 x 2
       8 x 8
       9 x 10
      10 x10
      11 x 4
      12 x 3
      13 x 2

Andy
       


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 14 October 2018, 11:52:36 PM
Hess-Darmstadt:

NHD1 x6
        2 x1
        3 x3
        4 x2
        5 x3
        6 x1
        7 x1

Wurttemberg:

NWU1 x10
         2 x3
         3 x6
         4 x3
         5 x4
         6 x5
         7 x3
         8 x4
         9 x4
         10x2
         11x1
         12x1

Saxony:

NSA1 x 20
       2 x 3
       3 x 8
       4 x 5
       5 x 2
       6 x 2
       7 x 2
       8 x 8
       9 x 10
      10 x10
      11 x 4
      12 x 3
      13 x 2

Wow, that's a big order!  I've added you to the list and that takes us over our target!  We're now good to go and everyone's getting some new figures!

This is where the fun starts now and we can add some extra items to the ranges:

At £3500 - We'll add the limbers to each range.

At £4000 - We'll add a pack of generic Napoleonic civilians to the range and add one as a freebie to every order.

At £4500 - We'll add flags for each state to the ranges.  Anyone who's ordered at least 5 packs from any state will receive a free set of flags for that same state.

At £5000 - We'll add casualty figures to all of our Naps ranges.

Let's keep the pledges going and see what extras we can add!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 14 October 2018, 11:55:41 PM
Casualty figures!

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 14 October 2018, 11:58:01 PM
Casualty figures!

No worries, I've updated the target list and added these at £5k.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 15 October 2018, 07:13:40 AM
Huzzah!

Do we get the wurst seat 6pdrs already or is there a target?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: mollinary on 15 October 2018, 08:35:37 AM
Wow, that was quick!   Congratulations, Leon  =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: paulr on 15 October 2018, 10:15:03 AM
Well done all  =D> =D> =D>

Tony Q will be busy :!!

Aztecs and now 1809 :o :o


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 15 October 2018, 10:56:15 AM
I'm not sure we need Aztecs for 1809.

Russians though, we will need Russians  :D


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 15 October 2018, 11:07:16 AM
Cossacks! Yeah!
Dunno about Aztecs, but an 1809ish Spanish Mexican army is on my later shopping list. That's all dudes in bicornes and long-tailed coats though. Apart from the lancers in leather coats and shields. And the 1pdr mule mounted swivel guns......

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: pierre the shy on 15 October 2018, 11:41:03 AM
I'm not sure we need Aztecs for 1809.

Russians though, we will need Russians  :D

Great to see this not-kickstarter being so well supported.....sorry won't be joining in myself but could be seriously tempted by some 1980 Russians down the track...... ;) 
   



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 15 October 2018, 12:08:38 PM
Do we get the wurst seat 6pdrs already or is there a target?

We'll get that done, no worries there.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: cudders on 18 October 2018, 10:08:43 PM
Hi chaps,

Having done Adlers for the last 20 years, excellent range, my eyes are now struggling so am now looking harder at 10mm.

I was originally put off as the Nap ranges were rather limited but good to see some movement!

I will likely miss this event but will order a sample range to see if they fit the bill.

If so I will definitely purchase some of these ranges!

Good luck with it!

Cudders





Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: cudders on 18 October 2018, 10:26:02 PM
Forgot to mention,  I note there are already some Polish and Wurttemburg already in the 1812 range.

Are the new figures to replace or expand them also?

Cudders


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 19 October 2018, 12:56:24 PM
Hi chaps,

Having done Adlers for the last 20 years, excellent range, my eyes are now struggling so am now looking harder at 10mm.

I was originally put off as the Nap ranges were rather limited but good to see some movement!


I also have a lot of investment in 6mm Adlers but started the slow process of transfer to 10mm a couple of years ago, the difference is marked, the ease of painting noticeable. And most of all my friends' ability to tell units apart, which way they're marching and their ability to pick them up has improved dramatically  :D

by way of comparison:

6mm Adler Hessians
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1133/5099469646_18ed1e77b2.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/8LC7Es)1st Leib Garde Regiment 01 (https://flic.kr/p/8LC7Es) by Zippee Jerred (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/), on Flickr

and 10mm PD French
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7703/26806100612_78bb56fca7.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GQLgNu)French Ligne 1809 - 3rd Regiment, Battalion I 02 (https://flic.kr/p/GQLgNu) by Zippee Jerred (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/), on Flickr

I really do need to photograph more stuff, what I really need are a couple of clones one for work, one for chores and then I'm sorted :)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 19 October 2018, 01:10:11 PM
Forgot to mention,  I note there are already some Polish and Wurttemburg already in the 1812 range.

Are the new figures to replace or expand them also?

Cudders

Hi you can check out this thread:
It's not a great image but this is the 1812 Polish with an 1809 Frenchman in the middle:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5020246053_516961cc7f.jpg)

as far as differences I believe the 1812 range is Wurttembergers in shako rather than helmet - shako was introduced November 1811 IIRC (there are a number of compounding and wide-ranging uniform changes starting in May 1811 that substantially change the look of all arms). The Warsaw range is more update and completion to bring in line with rest of 1809 range - haven seen those pictures there maybe isn't as much difference in uniform depiction as presumed but it's very hard to tell - the 1812 fusilier depicted appears to be in long gaiters which would be anachronistic even for 1809!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 19 October 2018, 09:39:51 PM
Pledge received by email from member loupdemer:

Here is my selection of Duchy of Warsaw figures:-
NDW 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 One of each


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: grahambeyrout on 20 October 2018, 11:28:47 AM
Leon,
I have been tempted a tiny bit more. To my previous order could you add

1 X NSA 6
1 X NSA 10

thanks


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 20 October 2018, 03:57:02 PM
1 X NSA 6
1 X NSA 10

Done!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Scolty on 24 October 2018, 12:38:39 PM
Hi Leon,

As I was planning 2019 to be the year of an 1809 Project - this is great news!
I have just received some preliminary reading to help plan my armies/units (and purchases!). Gill's 3 volume 'Thunder on the Danube', as well as his 'With Eagles to Glory' as well as some of the usual Ospreys. Won't be contemplating any serious reading and planning until Christmas as I want to complete the remaining bags of unpainted AWI, ACW and 'Falklands War' currently hiding in the garage! 

However, to get the ball rolling here is my initial order:


2 X NHD1
1 X NHD3
1 X NHD4
1 X NHD5

2 X NSA1
1 X NSA3
1 X NSA4
1 X NSA8
1 X NSA10
1 X NSA11

2 X NDW1
1 X NDW3
1 X NDW4
1 X NDW7
1 X NDW8
1 X NDW9
1 X NDW13

2 X NWU1
1 X NWU3
1 X NWU5
1 X NWU6
1 X NWU8
1 X NWU10

French, Austrians and Bavarians to follow in due course!

Thanks also to Zippee for all his hard work on this.

Cheers,

Scolty




Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: rikster72 on 24 October 2018, 01:33:50 PM
Hello,

Please can I add my own order to this...

NHD1 x 4
NHD3 x 1
NHD4 x 1

NDW1 x 3
NDW3 x 1
NDW4 x 2
NDW6 x 2
NDW7 x 1

Regards
   Rik


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Techno on 24 October 2018, 02:38:06 PM
And as that was your first post, Rik.....

A very warm welcome to the forum.

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 24 October 2018, 03:54:09 PM
Welcome Rip

And thanks Scolty I fear the hard work actually starts once the pile of figures arrives. This was the easy bit. 😁


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 24 October 2018, 04:21:07 PM
However, to get the ball rolling here is my initial order:

2 X NHD1
1 X NHD3
1 X NHD4
1 X NHD5

2 X NSA1
1 X NSA3
1 X NSA4
1 X NSA8
1 X NSA10
1 X NSA11

2 X NDW1
1 X NDW3
1 X NDW4
1 X NDW7
1 X NDW8
1 X NDW9
1 X NDW13

2 X NWU1
1 X NWU3
1 X NWU5
1 X NWU6
1 X NWU8
1 X NWU10

Thanks for that, this lot comes to £117.95 and I'll get you added to the list!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 24 October 2018, 04:22:01 PM
Please can I add my own order to this...

NHD1 x 4
NHD3 x 1
NHD4 x 1

NDW1 x 3
NDW3 x 1
NDW4 x 2
NDW6 x 2
NDW7 x 1

Thanks for the order, I'll get you added to the list!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 24 October 2018, 04:23:54 PM
Those pledges take us over the £3300 mark so we need less than £200 now to unlock the limbers!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: rikster72 on 25 October 2018, 08:34:55 AM
Thanks guys...been a quiet back bencher thus far, but this is something I could not miss out on ;-)
Plus I needed some Confederation of the Rhine for my Peninsular troops...(1809)

By the way, can I add previous range items to my order?
Just to flesh out the Baden, Nassau, and Frankfurters of course...


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Womble67 on 25 October 2018, 12:04:40 PM
Those pledges take us over the £3300 mark so we need less than £200 now to unlock the limbers!

Excellent news

Take care

Andy


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 25 October 2018, 12:23:01 PM
By the way, can I add previous range items to my order?
Just to flesh out the Baden, Nassau, and Frankfurters of course...

Once the campaign is complete, you can add anything else you need from the other ranges, no problem at all.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: fsn on 25 October 2018, 12:52:33 PM
Tell me more about the limbers, Leon.

I have a horrible feeling I could be persuaded to contribute more.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Orcs on 25 October 2018, 02:51:28 PM
Tell me more about the limbers, Leon.

I have a horrible feeling I could be persuaded to contribute more.

You are probably correct in that assumption.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 25 October 2018, 05:08:50 PM
I have a horrible feeling I could be persuaded to contribute more.

It'll be a limber pack for each state, in our usual pack composition of: 2 x limbers / 2 pairs of limber riders / 4 ridden horses / 4 unridden horses.  For the sculpting side, it means adding a pair of limber riders and one ridden horse sculpt for each state = 4 x limber pairs, 4 x ridden horses in total.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 25 October 2018, 05:23:05 PM
Pledge received by email from coleman16:

Hesse Darmstadt
5 X NHD1 Line/fusilier, march attack £5.25
1 X NHD3 Line/fusilier command £5.25
1 X NHD4 Mounted officers (5) £1.75
1 X NHD5 Chevaux-Legers £5.25
1 X NHD6 6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew (3) £5.25

Duchy of Warsaw
7 X NDW1 Line/fusiliers, march attack (czapska) £5.25
1 X NDW3 Line/fusiliers command (czapska) £5.25
2 X NDW4 Line Elites (Volt/Gren), march attack (16) (czapska) £2.80
1 X NDW7 Mounted officer (5) £1.75
2 X NDW8 Uhlans £5.25
1 X NDW9 Uhlan Elites (8 ) £2.80
2 X NDW10 6pdr (SYW) with foot crew (3) £5.25
1 X NDW11 6pdr (SYW) with horse crew (3) £5.25

That takes us very close now!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 26 October 2018, 10:05:36 PM
Another pledge received by email from Dereham Bob!

NWU1 x 3
NWU2 x 1
NWU3 x 1
NWU4 x 2
NWU5 x 2
NWU6 x 2
NWU7 x 2
NWU8 x 2
NWU9 x 2
NWU10 x 2
NWU12 x 1
NWU13 x 2
PNFL517 x 1

And that takes us over the £3500 mark and unlocks the limber packs!  Let us know if you'd like to add any of these to your pledge.  Each pack will contain 2 limbers (2 limbers, 4 wheels, 4 unridden horses, 4 ridden horses)

NHD8    Limber with team (2)    £5.25
NSA14   Limber with team (2)    £5.25
NDW14  Limber with team (2)    £5.25
NWU13  Limber with team (2)    £5.25


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 26 October 2018, 10:44:59 PM
I’ll have a NWU13 X 1 please to add to my order.

Ta
Ben


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 27 October 2018, 02:33:20 AM
I’ll have a NWU13 X 1 please to add to my order.

Ta
Ben

Done!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Shecky on 27 October 2018, 04:02:49 AM
Leon,

Please add NSW14 and NDW14 to my order.

Thanks


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: fsn on 27 October 2018, 08:52:14 AM
Please add 5xNWU13

Thanks.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 27 October 2018, 09:14:18 AM

And that takes us over the £3500 mark and unlocks the limber packs!  Let us know if you'd like to add any of these to your pledge.  Each pack will contain 2 limbers (2 limbers, 4 wheels, 4 unridden horses, 4 ridden horses)

NHD8    Limber with team (2)    £5.25
NSA14   Limber with team (2)    £5.25
NDW14  Limber with team (2)    £5.25
NWU13  Limber with team (2)    £5.25


Cool - Would I be correct in my assumption that each limber pack would (like the existing packs) also come with an additional mounted officer type? Or this that just crass over optimism  :D

I included limbers in my original pledge but feel free to up the budget if required.  ;)


Unfortunately it looks unlikely we'll achieve the £5k needed for flags to be included.  :(


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: TinyTinTroops on 27 October 2018, 02:03:05 PM
The flags will be ready well before launch though. You may have to buy a few sheets rather than get them gratis but they will be ready on time.

I should be able to put up a list of the planned units I'll do some time next month so that people can comment in time for changes/additions to be made.


Tony of TTT


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 27 October 2018, 04:47:22 PM
Please add NSW14 and NDW14 to my order.

Please add 5xNWU13

Both done!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 27 October 2018, 04:49:07 PM
Cool - Would I be correct in my assumption that each limber pack would (like the existing packs) also come with an additional mounted officer type? Or this that just crass over optimism  :D

I included limbers in my original pledge but feel free to up the budget if required.  ;)

Unfortunately it looks unlikely we'll achieve the £5k needed for flags to be included.  :(

Currently it would be just the limber riders and a ridden horse per limber pack, we'd have to look at the costs of adding an officer to lead the team.  Unless a regular line officer could be included?  I've added your limbers to the pledge total as well.

On the flags, as Tony says above we'll be getting them done either way so they'll be available to order.  If we can hit that target then we'd give everyone a set of flags for free.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 27 October 2018, 09:44:58 PM
Pledge received from member dimmy:

NWU1    6
NWU3    1
NWU4    1
NWU5    1
NWU6    1
NWU7    1
NWU8    2
NWU9    1
NWU10  1
NWU11  1


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: quasar42 on 27 October 2018, 09:56:03 PM
Hi,

I pledge the following:

6 x NSA1    Line infantry, march attack 
2 x NSA2    Line infantry, firing line   
1 x NSA3    Line command   
2 x NSA4    Grenadiers, march attack, inc. command (16)   
1 x NSA5    Leib Grenadiers, inc. command   
2 x NSA6    Schutzen, march attack, inc. command (16)   
2 x NSA7    Schutzen, firing, inc. command (16) 
1 x NSA8    Mounted officers (5)   
2 x NSA9    Light cavalry   
2 x NSA10  Heavy cavalry   
2 x NSA11  Hussars   
2 x NSA12  6pdr guns (SYW) with crew (3) 

May I add that the French could really use a couple of more poses - everybody else seems to have more than them



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 27 October 2018, 10:21:35 PM
6 x NSA1    Line infantry, march attack 
2 x NSA2    Line infantry, firing line   
1 x NSA3    Line command   
2 x NSA4    Grenadiers, march attack, inc. command (16)   
1 x NSA5    Leib Grenadiers, inc. command   
2 x NSA6    Schutzen, march attack, inc. command (16)   
2 x NSA7    Schutzen, firing, inc. command (16) 
1 x NSA8    Mounted officers (5)   
2 x NSA9    Light cavalry   
2 x NSA10  Heavy cavalry   
2 x NSA11  Hussars   
2 x NSA12  6pdr guns (SYW) with crew (3) 

May I add that the French could really use a couple of more poses - everybody else seems to have more than them

Thanks for the pledge, that takes us very close to the £4k now!  On the French poses, do you mean the firing types?  There was a loading figure for them as well but there was some debate about the pose so we dropped it.  We'll have to look at getting a new one made at some point.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: kustenjaeger on 27 October 2018, 10:48:30 PM
Leon

An added 2x packs of NHD8    Limber with team (2) @   £5.25 please.

Many thanks

Edward


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: WeeWars on 28 October 2018, 02:40:56 AM
There was a loading figure for them as well but there was some debate about the pose so we dropped it.  We'll have to look at getting a new one made at some point.

There was debate over the French Line infantryman's musket being positioned on the ground between the loader's feet rather than to the left of his left foot - assuming that he was right handed. Meanwhile, the pose sidestepped into the ACW range. Years on, there wouldn't be any debate only loud huzzahs if Tony used any of the other loading poses he has sculpted since then. The same goes for the Austrian Line. However, there was never any debate over a loading Austrian Line infantryman because there never was one. I'm pretty sure that sales of the Line of these smaller states as well as the Brunswickers won't ever compete with sales of French and Austrian Line but the French and Austrian Line, at the moment, have fewer poses.

I can pledge at least another £15.75 for limber packs.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 28 October 2018, 08:54:19 AM
Currently it would be just the limber riders and a ridden horse per limber pack, we'd have to look at the costs of adding an officer to lead the team.  Unless a regular line officer could be included?  I've added your limbers to the pledge total as well.



That's a shame - one of the nice things is that the other packs give us an additional differently posed mounted officer figure. It's not that you can't use a line officer (in most circumstances - an officer in a bicorne goes a long, long way to being ubiquitous  :D) to lead a battery it's just that I bet the vast majority of these figures have actually found themselves bulking out the pose count in command stands. I know all mine have!

So I'm not sure of the worth of dropping an identical officer casting into the packs - you'd need to troll poll for a response to that, I'd consider it unnecessary but give a big thumbs up to a variant.

PS I'm not sure there are any limber riders are there? The nearest we get to that are the wurst teams (Austrian & Bavarian) that ride the 6pdr gun not the limber. To the best of my knowledge the only Napoleonic limber riders are British RHA. Surely we're essentially looking at repurposed limbers from other ranges, repurposed riderless train horses from other ranges and converted mounted train horses?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 28 October 2018, 07:51:33 PM
Years on, there wouldn't be any debate only loud huzzahs if Tony used any of the other loading poses he has sculpted since then. The same goes for the Austrian Line. However, there was never any debate over a loading Austrian Line infantryman because there never was one. I'm pretty sure that sales of the Line of these smaller states as well as the Brunswickers won't ever compete with sales of French and Austrian Line but the French and Austrian Line, at the moment, have fewer poses.

It's something we can look at again in the future but it's not something we've got as a priority.  It means getting another figure sculpted and then making a new mould to include both new and old figures so it's a bit of a faff more than anything else.  And then I expect we'd have to supply a tonne of loading poses for folks that have already bought the firing pose!

I can pledge at least another £15.75 for limber packs.


Thanks for that, I'll get that added.

An added 2x packs of NHD8    Limber with team (2) @   £5.25 please.

Thanks for that!

PS I'm not sure there are any limber riders are there? The nearest we get to that are the wurst teams (Austrian & Bavarian) that ride the 6pdr gun not the limber. To the best of my knowledge the only Napoleonic limber riders are British RHA. Surely we're essentially looking at repurposed limbers from other ranges, repurposed riderless train horses from other ranges and converted mounted train horses?

To be honest I just assumed that they would have had riders, but if they don't then we can do another officer figure instead?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 29 October 2018, 10:32:45 AM

To be honest I just assumed that they would have had riders, but if they don't then we can do another officer figure instead?

An officer would be by far and away my preference if possible - I can find no evidence of limber riders.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 30 October 2018, 12:31:12 AM
We're only £100 short of hitting the £4000 target and unlocking those civilians, and there's only 48 hours left now! 

We've also added the flagsheets to the range lists so let us know if you'd like to include any of them on your order.  If we manage to hit the £4500 mark, then the flags will be included in your order for free.

 :-bd


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 30 October 2018, 06:50:28 AM
Hi Leon

I'll definitely be needing flags for all.
Saxony is about 50 flanges.
Wurttemberg about 32 flags
Warsaw is about 36 flags
Hesse only about 12

Not sure what that means in terms of cost

I'll have a look at my order ill add some more Poles probably. Do you need me to calculate my list into codes at any point?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: fsn on 30 October 2018, 07:45:38 AM
For the good of the project .... not because I want them at all ...

Could you add Wurttemberg flags x 2
5 x NWU1
1 x NWU3
1 x NWU5
1 x NWU6

I think that's about another £43.50


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 30 October 2018, 08:09:06 AM
I’ll have the Wurtenburg flag sheet please to add to my list.

Ta Ben


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 30 October 2018, 12:22:10 PM
I'll definitely be needing flags for all.
Saxony is about 50 flanges.
Wurttemberg about 32 flags
Warsaw is about 36 flags
Hesse only about 12

Could you add Wurttemberg flags x 2
5 x NWU1
1 x NWU3
1 x NWU5
1 x NWU6

I’ll have the Wurtenburg flag sheet please to add to my list.

Thanks for the extras, all added to the total!

I'll have a look at my order ill add some more Poles probably. Do you need me to calculate my list into codes at any point?

Once we're passed the deadline tomorrow night, I'll send out an order form to everyone to finalise their orders, no worries.  Once we get those back we'll be sending the invoices for 50%.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: DerehamBob on 30 October 2018, 12:58:49 PM
Hi!
Could you please add the following to my order:

NWU9 x 2
NWU9 x 2
PMFL517 x 1

Thanks
Bob


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: fsn on 30 October 2018, 01:14:48 PM
Leon, How close are we to the £4000?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 30 October 2018, 01:15:36 PM
Could you please add the following to my order:

NWU9 x 2
NWU9 x 2
PMFL517 x 1

No worries, we'll get those added.  Can I just check on the codes as those are the same pack?

Leon, How close are we to the £4000?

We're currently at: £3962.30! 

The updated total is in the original post: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,17838.0.html


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 30 October 2018, 01:27:14 PM
Hi Leon,

I'll add the 3rd battalions to each Warsaw regiment - an additional 408 infantry


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 30 October 2018, 01:41:58 PM

Wurttemberg
NWU1    Line/fusilier, march attack   £5.25
NWU2    Line/fusilier, firing line   £5.25
NWU3    Line/fusilier command   £5.25
NWU4    Leichtes, inc. command   £5.25
NWU5    Mounted officers (5)   £1.75
NWU6    Grenadiers, inc. command   £5.25
NWU7    Jager, inc. command   £5.25
NWU8    Chevaux-Leger   £5.25
NWU9    Jager zu Pferd   £5.25
NWU10  6pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew   £5.25
NWU11  12pdr guns (Nap Austrian) with crew   £5.25
NWU12  7pdr Howitzers (Nap Austrian) with crew   £5.25
NWU13  Limber with team (2)    £5.25
PNFL517    Wurttemberg flagsheet     £2.50

Hi Leon,
i note the Wurtemberg grenadiers are still listed as packs of 30 including command - it's only 1 company per regiment, they should be small packs with no command. I can see that the other amendments were made but this looks like it was missed.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 30 October 2018, 02:17:21 PM
i note the Wurtemberg grenadiers are still listed as packs of 30 including command - it's only 1 company per regiment, they should be small packs with no command. I can see that the other amendments were made but this looks like it was missed.

Done!

 8)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: mollinary on 30 October 2018, 03:12:14 PM
Hi Leon,
i note the Wurtemberg grenadiers are still listed as packs of 30 including command - it's only 1 company per regiment, they should be small packs with no command. I can see that the other amendments were made but this looks like it was missed.

I have no claims to being an expert in this period, but didnt Wurttemberg have a Garde zu Fuss regiment, which wore bearskin hats and would need a grenadier command?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: DerehamBob on 30 October 2018, 03:24:53 PM
Hi Leon

Ooops, I screwed up as normal. the additional order should have been:

NWU9 x 2 (Jager zu Pferd)
NWU13 x 2 (Limbers)
PNFL517 x 1

Please amend, but can you please now also add:

NWU6 x 2 (Grenadiers @ 16 figures with no command)

Many thanks
Bob


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 30 October 2018, 03:47:51 PM
I have no claims to being an expert in this period, but didnt Wurttemberg have a Garde zu Fuss regiment, which wore bearskin hats and would need a grenadier command?

It did. It never deployed out of the Royal Palace - Wurttemberg guard formations were technically part of the household and other than the notional appellation of royal to the senior horse battery they didn't serve in the field.

I'd have to check but I think it only attains full battalion status in the 1811 reforms in any case  :D

The grenadier here are the 1st company of each regiment which was distinct in having the usual helmet but with transverse crest. So at absolute maximum you need 8 companies of them. Only if playing at very large unit ratios would you need command and drummers and anyone doing that will be used to the problem.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 30 October 2018, 03:58:48 PM
I'll add the 3rd battalions to each Warsaw regiment - an additional 408 infantry

NWU9 x 2 (Jager zu Pferd)
NWU13 x 2 (Limbers)
PNFL517 x 1
NWU6 x 2 (Grenadiers @ 16 figures with no command)

Thanks for the additions, both added now!


And that takes us over the £4000!  We've unlocked the civilians and everyone is getting a free pack included in their order! 

There's still a little longer left so there's a chance that we can get those free flags unlocked as well...


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: kabrank on 30 October 2018, 04:15:48 PM
Hi Leon

Am I OK to step in for two of each pack of Civilians?

Kelvin


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Sandyfalkirk on 30 October 2018, 04:16:47 PM
Ok,

So anyone who is a bit more clever and patient than me help me with what I need to ask for in my £300 pledge?

I use GdBrigade or Armee normally, so 1:20 ratio

I want the Wurtemburg light brigade at probably 32 to 36 man btns
The cavalry that served

The 6 (?) Hessian bts

Saxons

Polish Lancers

Then fill out the rest.

But I honestly just can't face working it out. Anyone fancy doing something for me and maybe Leon could send you one of my packs as a ta much!?



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: WeeWars on 30 October 2018, 05:59:03 PM
As far as Hesse-Darmstadt is concerned, you will be wanting

Leibgarde Regiment 2 battalions
Leibgarde Fusiliers 2 battalions

Hessian Garde-Chevaulegers  3 squadrons

1 Foot Battery
5 x 6pdr
1 x Hwtzr


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: WeeWars on 30 October 2018, 06:17:52 PM
Wurttemberg Lights

Württemberg had two Jäger battalions and two Light Infantry battalions.

Two regiments each of Chevauxlegers and Jäger zu Pferd.

2 x Horse Battery
4 x 6pdr
2 x Hwtzr

1 Foot Battery
8 x 6pdr
2 x Hwtzr


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: WeeWars on 30 October 2018, 06:36:50 PM
As far as Saxons are concerned, if you go for the organisation at Wagram and those in combat at the battle

9 Line infantry battalions

1 (of 4) Grenadier battalion
1 Leib Grenadier battalion
1 (of 2) Schutzen battalion

5 squadrons Light cavalry (plus 4 with II Corps)
8 squadrons Heavy cavalry 
3 squadrons Hussars

2 Light Batteries
2 Heavy Batteries
1 Horse Battery


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: WeeWars on 30 October 2018, 07:00:04 PM
An additional pledge of £5.60 from me for the reorganised Württemberg Grenadiers.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 30 October 2018, 07:09:27 PM
I’ll have another revamped NWU6 Grenadiers as well please


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: WeeWars on 30 October 2018, 07:10:40 PM
And a pack of the added Civilians, too, please.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: quasar42 on 30 October 2018, 08:17:03 PM
Thanks for the pledge, that takes us very close to the £4k now!  On the French poses, do you mean the firing types?  There was a loading figure for them as well but there was some debate about the pose so we dropped it.  We'll have to look at getting a new one made at some point.

Yes the loader for sure please and if at all possible also another skirmish pose - I may be wrong but the other nations seem to have a bit of variety there.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 30 October 2018, 09:49:44 PM
Am I OK to step in for two of each pack of Civilians?

An additional pledge of £5.60 from me for the reorganised Württemberg Grenadiers.

I’ll have another revamped NWU6 Grenadiers as well please

All added!

And a pack of the added Civilians, too, please.

You'll have a free pack with the order already, do you need more than one?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: WeeWars on 30 October 2018, 11:58:44 PM
You'll have a free pack with the order already, do you need more than one?

You can put me down for £210, that'll be fine. Thanks.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: sultanbev on 31 October 2018, 12:05:42 AM
All added!

You'll have a free pack with the order already, do you need more than one?

He can have my free pack of civilians, they'll not be something I imagine I'll need ,

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Vincer2 on 31 October 2018, 12:14:30 AM
I'll go for:
2-NDW8
1 - NDW9
1 - NDW 10
1- NDW 11
1 - NDW 7
3 - NDW 3
1 - NDW 4
1 - NDW 2
2 - NDW14


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 31 October 2018, 01:24:32 AM
You can put me down for £210, that'll be fine. Thanks.

Done!

I'll go for:
2-NDW8
1 - NDW9
1 - NDW 10
1- NDW 11
1 - NDW 7
3 - NDW 3
1 - NDW 4
1 - NDW 2
2 - NDW14

Order updated!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Shecky on 31 October 2018, 03:44:54 AM
Please add PNFL515 and PNFL516 to my order.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Forez42 on 31 October 2018, 07:29:51 AM
Hello, my order :

Saxony
NSA1    Line infantry, march attack   £5.25  X1
NSA3    Line command   £5.25    X1
NSA4    Grenadiers, march attack, inc. command (16)   £2.80   X1
NSA8    Mounted officers (5)    £1.75  X1
NSA9    Light cavalry   £5.25     X1
NSA12  6pdr guns (SYW) with crew (3)   £5.25  X1

Thanks.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 31 October 2018, 01:15:05 PM
Please add PNFL515 and PNFL516 to my order.

Done!

Saxony
NSA1    Line infantry, march attack   £5.25  X1
NSA3    Line command   £5.25    X1
NSA4    Grenadiers, march attack, inc. command (16)   £2.80   X1
NSA8    Mounted officers (5)    £1.75  X1
NSA9    Light cavalry   £5.25     X1
NSA12  6pdr guns (SYW) with crew (3)   £5.25  X1

Thanks!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 31 October 2018, 03:55:08 PM
Do we know what the makeup of the flagsheets is?

Saxony, Wurrtemberg and Hesse-Darmstadt all have regimental flags what Warsaw are generic. It's hard to know how many I need without knowing what's on each. And I worry that it's just one code per, I don't see how you fit all 25 Saxon flags on one sheet for instance (13 leibsfahne and 13 ordinsfahne, especially as we need 13 LF and 37 SF)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: DerehamBob on 31 October 2018, 09:48:20 PM
Hi! With the dealine almost here, I'd willingly add another couple of packs to my pledge if (as Zippee has hinted) you'd be prepared to add Wurttemburg 'Leichtes' in "firing/advancing poses to the catalogue (it fits the rules I use to represent such units in close and open order formations and Jaegers with rifles don't quite cut it) 😊

Still, it's all very exciting. Well done guys!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Hammerjock on 31 October 2018, 10:43:02 PM
Hi,
Please add :-
3 x NDW1,
1x all other NDW codes.
1x PNFL516

Thanks


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: kustenjaeger on 31 October 2018, 10:49:32 PM
Leon

Please add 1 X PNFL514    Hesse-Darmstadt flagsheet     £2.50. 

Many thanks

Edward


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Baron Snake-eyes on 31 October 2018, 11:37:24 PM
Hi Leon,

Better late than never.

Please could I request

NSA1 x2
NSA2 x1
NSA3 x2
NSA4 x4
NSA9 x1
NSA10 x1
NSA12 x1

Thanks

Regards

Jason


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 01 November 2018, 12:53:40 AM
Do we know what the makeup of the flagsheets is?

Saxony, Wurrtemberg and Hesse-Darmstadt all have regimental flags what Warsaw are generic. It's hard to know how many I need without knowing what's on each. And I worry that it's just one code per, I don't see how you fit all 25 Saxon flags on one sheet for instance (13 leibsfahne and 13 ordinsfahne, especially as we need 13 LF and 37 SF)

Usually we'd do 18 flags per sheet but we'll have to talk to Tony and see what we can do.  Depending on the differences between each regiments flags, we might end up either missing some out or making a nice mix of the designs.

Hi! With the dealine almost here, I'd willingly add another couple of packs to my pledge if (as Zippee has hinted) you'd be prepared to add Wurttemburg 'Leichtes' in "firing/advancing poses to the catalogue (it fits the rules I use to represent such units in close and open order formations and Jaegers with rifles don't quite cut it)

We'll have a think and see whether that's something we can do.

Please add :-
3 x NDW1,
1x all other NDW codes.
1x PNFL516

Thanks!

Please add 1 X PNFL514    Hesse-Darmstadt flagsheet     £2.50. 

Done!

Please could I request
NSA1 x2
NSA2 x1
NSA3 x2
NSA4 x4
NSA9 x1
NSA10 x1
NSA12 x1

And our last pledge, thanks for that!



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 01 November 2018, 01:03:11 AM
And that's all folks, pledging is closed and everyone's getting some new Naps!  We've managed to hit £4261.25 in total so thanks to everyone who has supported this project.  The sculptor has got the green light and he'll be getting all of the sculpts done over the next few months.

We'll be contacting everyone in the next couple of days to confirm your order and address details, and then we'll be sending out the invoices for the initial 50%.  So keep an eye on your inboxes and we'll have some sculpts to show you soon!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: paulr on 01 November 2018, 03:06:49 AM
Congratulations to all involved, particularly Zippee for his efforts =D> =D> =D>

Well done Pendraken & Leon for giving customers such a direct opportunity to influence what gets produced =D> =D> =D>

I hope they go on to be a profitable expansion of the Napoleonic range


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Zippee on 01 November 2018, 06:53:11 AM
Hi! With the dealine almost here, I'd willingly add another couple of packs to my pledge if (as Zippee has hinted) you'd be prepared to add Wurttemburg 'Leichtes' in "firing/advancing poses to the catalogue (it fits the rules I use to represent such units in close and open order formations and Jaegers with rifles don't quite cut it) 😊

Still, it's all very exciting. Well done guys!

We discussed this and left it as 'see how things go'. Essentially the uniform differences are very minor between Jager and Leicester so to keep the volume of sculpts manageable we opted for one set of March Attack and one of Skirmish to cover both. It is only a minor conversion to covert either but it adds to the cost. I don't think the weapon is the point of variance here. But we'll see how the sculpts progress.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Zippee on 01 November 2018, 07:37:50 AM
Thanks all.

Great support for a really good supplemental 1809 range.

I hope this (and the success of the previous Mongol project) means that this sort of community led and funded expansion can become more common.

I see that Leon has also been running a successful real kickstarter at the same time. Busy times ahead I suspect.

I'm still slightly intimidated by the volume of painting I now have built up :) and I still haven't unpacked yet!

Thanks again everyone



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: mollinary on 01 November 2018, 07:59:07 AM
Usually we'd do 18 flags per sheet but we'll have to talk to Tony and see what we can do.  Depending on the differences between each regiments flags, we might end up either missing some out or making a nice mix of the designs

Hi Leon,

If I can be of any help to Tony on the flag details, please let me know.

Cheers,

Andrew


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Leon on 01 November 2018, 12:14:20 PM
If I can be of any help to Tony on the flag details, please let me know.

Thanks Andrew, I'll pass that on to Tony.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: TinyTinTroops on 01 November 2018, 07:18:02 PM
Hi Leon

I've got as far as assembling and briefly reading through all the printed info I have. I had already started on Saxon flags for a painting job a few years ago but the customer decided to do his own and it wasn't completed, not looking forward to all those different border designs though. Similarly I have some work done on the Polish flags that will give me a start there too. Hesse-Darmstadt uses some of the Prussian layout so they aren't being done quite from scratch - Warsaw looks a bit of a nightmare but with a good deal of similarity and Wurtemberg is a total new design.

At the moment I'm only planning on doing the infantry - which is what I usually do for Pendraken Napoleonics, cavalry will have to wait until later if it is required.

Any help will, of course, be welcome - I'm no expert at researching flags but have often found that even the most commonly used references are not perfect (or even complete in some cases). Possibly better to communicate with my 'work' e-mail main AT tinytintroops DOT co DOT uk Andrew, at least until I'm able to share a plan.

It will be later this month when I'm able to give any detailed plan as I've got other bits in the queue before I can get to that stage.

Once I get a plan I'll share it here and see what discussion brings up. I'm not holding the purse strings so Leon will have the final say but, as I've done with other flag sheets already on sale, I'll try and give both good value for customers' money and a product that Pendraken can continue to sell.

Tony of TTT



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 01 November 2018, 07:51:06 PM
Once I get a plan I'll share it here and see what discussion brings up. I'm not holding the purse strings so Leon will have the final say but, as I've done with other flag sheets already on sale, I'll try and give both good value for customers' money and a product that Pendraken can continue to sell.

Sounds good to me, thanks for the info.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: mollinary on 01 November 2018, 09:13:05 PM
Hi Leon

I've got as far as assembling and briefly reading through all the printed info I have. I had already started on Saxon flags for a painting job a few years ago but the customer decided to do his own and it wasn't completed, not looking forward to all those different border designs though. Similarly I have some work done on the Polish flags that will give me a start there too. Hesse-Darmstadt uses some of the Prussian layout so they aren't being done quite from scratch - Warsaw looks a bit of a nightmare but with a good deal of similarity and Wurtemberg is a total new design.

At the moment I'm only planning on doing the infantry - which is what I usually do for Pendraken Napoleonics, cavalry will have to wait until later if it is required.






Any help will, of course, be welcome - I'm no expert at researching flags but have often found that even the most commonly used references are not perfect (or even complete in some cases). Possibly better to communicate with my 'work' e-mail main AT tinytintroops DOT co DOT uk Andrew, at least until I'm able to share a plan.

It will be later this month when I'm able to give any detailed plan as I've got other bits in the queue before I can get to that stage.

Once I get a plan I'll share it here and see what discussion brings up. I'm not holding the purse strings so Leon will have the final say but, as I've done with other flag sheets already on sale, I'll try and give both good value for customers' money and a product that Pendraken can continue to sell.

Tony of TTT




Hi Tony,

I entirely agree regarding commonly used sources. All I can offerr is Saxon information from Hottenroth, the Saxon Officer who controlled the Saxon archives before WW1 and wrote the definitive history of Saxon flags, combined with more recent access to existing flags in the German Army Museum. Also info on other German states provided by Fiebig in his 1936 volume on the flags of German states from 1615-1918. This is not comprehensive, but contains much, including photos of then extant flags, which is missing in later sources. i am afraid I can offer you nothing to resolve your problems regarding the Duchy of Warsaw. I have also  provided the info behind the mid nineteenth century German state flags in the Pendraken range, and  contributed to your own Napoleonic Prussian flags.

Best Regards,


Andrew


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: TinyTinTroops on 01 November 2018, 09:30:11 PM
Hi Andrew

That certainly trumps my sources (the 3 Ospreys & Over plus Drapeaux website) but, at least the Saxon stuff is fairly comprehensive and identical in both textual sources as to the designs. What may differ is in the deployment and issue of the flags or any individual details, of which I have little or no knowledge beyond those sources and probably don't need immediately.

Do you know of any glaring errors in these sources ?

Tony




Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: mollinary on 01 November 2018, 10:00:15 PM
Hi Tony,

I dont have the Osprey on Saxon flags, and am not sure as to the identity of the ‘Drapeaux’ site you refer to. That said, there are many errors in wargaming flags for the Saxons, including putting the reverse and obverse in the wrong order, and putting the cartouche for the monogram in field colour rather than white. I have emailed you the Hottenroth illustrations.

Andrew


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Chad on 01 November 2018, 11:05:53 PM
Rawkins has an e-book publication on both the Saxons and Duchy of Warsaw. Have not looked at the flag sections but at the price they may be worth a look.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: TinyTinTroops on 02 November 2018, 11:13:22 AM
Hi Chad

Could you give me a bit more detail on that e-book please. Where might I find it ?

thanks

Tony


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Zippee on 02 November 2018, 01:48:17 PM
Hi Chad

Could you give me a bit more detail on that e-book please. Where might I find it ?

thanks

Tony


Hi Tony,
I'll be prepping a bunch of info on flags to go with the uniform data already supplied. That will include the relevant info from the Rawkins publications - which is extremely good for its time but usually needs corroboration. I think between what Mollinary will provide and my more general overview you should be good to go.

I'll also review the uniform data just to ensure there are no 'doh!' moments :)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Chad on 02 November 2018, 02:18:15 PM
Tony

Google W J Rawkins. It wii appear as the historyman. The e-books are £4.50 each and are good value for money.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Ithoriel on 02 November 2018, 07:48:35 PM
Link to the e-books site

http://www.thehistorybookman.webeden.co.uk/


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Sandyfalkirk on 03 November 2018, 09:39:01 AM
Hi Tony,
I'll be prepping a bunch of info on flags to go with the uniform data already supplied. That will include the relevant info from the Rawkins publications - which is extremely good for its time but usually needs corroboration. I think between what Mollinary will provide and my more general overview you should be good to go.

I'll also review the uniform data just to ensure there are no 'doh!' moments :)

Hi folks

Can I just confirm a few things as I can't really decide what to order without knowing....

Do the Hessians have bicorns or shakos?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: WeeWars on 03 November 2018, 01:37:13 PM
Bicornes


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: WeeWars on 03 November 2018, 05:42:14 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/30/f7/7730f7173506a70e2e1c8eeddbb33100.jpg)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Scolty on 04 November 2018, 10:41:49 AM

Again, thanks to all involved in this project!

I'm very much looking forward to getting stuck into my proposed 1809 project. As I have previously posted, I won't be doing any painting, etc., until after Xmas.

Currently reading through General d'Armee and also enjoying the related videos posted on YouTube.

I would be interested to hear from members about their current/proposed project. Which ruleset? Unit basing? 

Cheers,
Scolty
(anyone going to 'Targe' next week?)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: WeeWars on 04 November 2018, 12:23:37 PM
I shall be at Targe. Supreme Littleness has a stall.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Zippee on 05 November 2018, 02:59:53 PM
I'm being a bit pressed for time currently (and research isn't easy when everything is in a box)

Rawlins needs to be read with care - his info on Wurttemberg is very remiss (although the online documents may be updated I guess)

From what I can cull from my available notes on flags we have

Wurttemberg
1st through 5th regiments had the 1st battalions each with 2 1798 pattern ducal standards (140cm square with a 6cm fringe) and the 2nd battalions (raised 1806) each with 2 1806 royal standards (125cm square with a 5cm fringe)
The 6th Kurprinz, later Kronprinz was rauised in 1803 and uniquey had its 1st battalion issued with 2 1803 electoral pattern standards (140cm square) the 2nd battalion (1806) had 2 1806 royal standards as above
The 7th Fusilier/von neubronn/von Koseritz regiment was raised in 1806, the 2nd battalion in 1807 and both battaliosn were issued with a pair of 1807 pattern royal standards (254cm square)
The 8th von Schafferstein was raised in Sept 1809 from existing depot battalions and also issued with 2 1807 pattern royal standards per battalion
The leichtes and jager carried no standards

Hesse
The leibgarde was issued with 4 leinsfahne (2 per musketeer battalion) in an all white pattern (130cm square)
The leib regiment was issued with 1 leibsfahne (white with black/red rays) and 3 regimentsfahne (black with red rays)
The gross und Erbprinz regiment was issued with 1 leibsfahne (white with black/yellow rays) and 3 regimentsfahne (black with yellow rays)
The fusilier battalions (like teh chevaux leger0 carries no standards)

Saxony
The leibsgarde and each line regiment were each issued 1802 pattern standards (the 1807 pattern replacements were odered in November 1807 and presented in 1811) which measured 157cm x 144.5cm.
1 leibsfahne was issued to the 1st battalion and 1 ordinarsfahne to the 2nd battalion of each regiment
None of the converged grenadier or schutzen battalions were issued standards

Can we check with Leon if there is any chance that the command packs of Wurttemberg and Hesse could be configured to include a pair of standard bearers (otherwise we have to buy double the amount of packs and have lots of surplus drummers!)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 05 November 2018, 03:16:40 PM
Can we check with Leon if there is any chance that the command packs of Wurttemberg and Hesse could be configured to include a pair of standard bearers (otherwise we have to buy double the amount of packs and have lots of surplus drummers!)

We can do that, no worries, we've done it with the Brits and KGL ranges.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Sandyfalkirk on 06 November 2018, 04:42:45 PM
Really looking forward to this. Wishing away my life.

Anyway......did everyone pay their pledge and is it full steam ahead?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 06 November 2018, 06:07:15 PM
We've still got a few orders to confirm with folks, maybe 8 of the 'pledgees' I think, but I know a couple of guys are away at the moment and haven't had chance to reply to the email.  The sculpting got underway today and the Hesse infantry were first in the queue.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Zippee on 07 November 2018, 11:14:49 AM
Just confirmed my order total Leon,

Thanks again everyone, I'm really happy this has worked out.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Scolty on 07 November 2018, 08:21:17 PM
Hi Leon,

Just paid! Sorry for delay.

Scolty


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Scolty on 07 November 2018, 08:27:13 PM
Hi WeeWars,

Will pop by your stand on Saturday. Was helping my mate out on his stand at 'Skelp', but have got time off for good behaviour on Saturday so will have time for a good look around.

I always enjoy 'Kirrie' show - nice atmosphere - just a shame Pendraken aren't there!

Scolty



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Post by: kustenjaeger on 08 November 2018, 10:33:18 PM
Leon

Hopefull you've now got my form back - curse of the junk mail folder!

Edward


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 08 November 2018, 10:39:14 PM
Hopefull you've now got my form back - curse of the junk mail folder!

All received, thanks!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: John Cook on 02 January 2019, 12:25:29 AM
Leon,

If it is of any use there is this;

https://dlib.rsl.ru/viewer/01003756460#?page=1

It is the 1909 work by Gen Hekkel of the trophies in the Cathedral of Our Lady of Kazan in St Petersberg.  Although in Russian it has illustrations of many colours and standards taken by the Russians during the war, including Polish and Saxon.  Many were taken in 1812-1814 but they are largely still relevant for 1809. 

I've also got the Le Plumet Serie D set of plates by Albert Rigondaud in my collection, which has four plates on the Grand Duchy of Warsaw, as well a Saxon stuff.  If it is of any use let me know


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 02 January 2019, 05:20:32 PM
If it is of any use there is this;

https://dlib.rsl.ru/viewer/01003756460#?page=1

It is the 1909 work by Gen Hekkel of the trophies in the Cathedral of Our Lady of Kazan in St Petersberg.  Although in Russian it has illustrations of many colours and standards taken by the Russians during the war, including Polish and Saxon.  Many were taken in 1812-1814 but they are largely still relevant for 1809.  

I've also got the Le Plumet Serie D set of plates by Albert Rigondaud in my collection, which has four plates on the Grand Duchy of Warsaw, as well a Saxon stuff.  If it is of any use let me know

Thanks for the link John, that's excellent and I'll pass this over to Tony.  For anyone interested, the French flags start on page 65, then other nations from 125 I think (Russian isn't a strong point!)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: lenwelin on 17 January 2019, 11:28:29 PM
As agreed in our emails, I post my initial order:

NDW3      1  Line / fusiliers command (czapska)
NDW5      2  Line Elites (Volt / Gren), firing line (16) (czapska)
NDW7      1  Mounted officer (5)
NDW9      1  Uhlan Elites ( 8 )
NDW10    1  6pdr (SYW) with foot crew (3)
NDW11    1  6pdr (SYW) with horse crew (3)
PNFL516   1  Duchy of Warsaw flags (x18)
total: £ 28.40

first invoice (50%) paid

Cheers,
Adam


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Techno on 18 January 2019, 07:39:25 AM
And as that was your first post lenwelin.........A warm welcome to the forum !

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: TinyTinTroops on 01 February 2019, 08:19:52 PM
Hi Folks

I have now only the sheet layout to do for the flags of Saxony, Hesse-Darmstadt & Wurttemberg. I'll be discussing that with Leon & Dave at the York show. Thanks to a huge amount of help and info from Andrew I think you will like these.

Now it is on to the Duchy of Warsaw !

I have the Osprey on Nap flags & also Keith Over's book as my first references but have a lot less confidence in them that before working with Andrew on the German states' flags (there were a lot of errors in those sections). The link above would be useful if only I could read Russian - but I can't. What I can read is the text but without the rest of the flag description or an image, it is of very limited use.

Is there a better source that these ? Particularly I'm looking for drawings or good photos of existing flags or copies made from them - they are so much easier to work with than textual info. (I'll take and use textual info. if that is all I can get though).

Tony of TTT



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: John Cook on 02 February 2019, 02:47:35 AM
Hi Folks

I have now only the sheet layout to do for the flags of Saxony, Hesse-Darmstadt & Wurttemberg. I'll be discussing that with Leon & Dave at the York show. Thanks to a huge amount of help and info from Andrew I think you will like these.

Now it is on to the Duchy of Warsaw !

I have the Osprey on Nap flags & also Keith Over's book as my first references but have a lot less confidence in them that before working with Andrew on the German states' flags (there were a lot of errors in those sections). The link above would be useful if only I could read Russian - but I can't. What I can read is the text but without the rest of the flag description or an image, it is of very limited use.

Is there a better source that these ? Particularly I'm looking for drawings or good photos of existing flags or copies made from them - they are so much easier to work with than textual info. (I'll take and use textual info. if that is all I can get though).

Tony of TTT



The Osprey's and Keith Over's books are not very good.  I wouldn't use them for anything.  They are useless where Wurttemberg is concerned.  What is it you need?  I can probably help.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Chad on 02 February 2019, 08:56:03 AM
Have a look on W J Rawkins site. They have very reasonably priced downloads that might contain the information you need.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: John Cook on 02 February 2019, 01:14:25 PM
Have a look on W J Rawkins site. They have very reasonably priced downloads that might contain the information you need.

I had no idea Rawkins publications were still available?  I had some of them about 40 years ago.  There is nothing, as I remember, on colours and standards in them and they were not entirely reliable.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Chad on 02 February 2019, 01:53:15 PM
John

They have and are being completely updated. As I said at the price for a download Ed booklet it is not a huge investment. I have several and am very happy with them. Currently waiting for some of the new booklets currently in preparation

Chad


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: sultanbev on 02 February 2019, 03:22:09 PM
I have the current Rawkins book on the Duchy of Warsaw 1807-1814.
It details  flags for 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th8th, 13th 14th, 17th infantry regiments
1st chasseurs and uhlans

The current Rawkins editions are worth every penny, I spend £20 getting each printed out and sprial bound, although some are now so big as to need two volumes.
Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Chad on 02 February 2019, 03:25:25 PM
Mark
👍

I keep mine on my laptop at the moment. As you say very good.

Chad


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: John Cook on 02 February 2019, 09:17:07 PM
John

They have and are being completely updated. As I said at the price for a download Ed booklet it is not a huge investment. I have several and am very happy with them. Currently waiting for some of the new booklets currently in preparation

Chad



Does he give his sources these days?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Zippee on 03 February 2019, 12:41:42 PM

Does he give his sources these days?


He does, for instance this is his sources page from CB03 - The Kingdom of Italy 1805-14

SOURCES
Addobatti,A (Milan 1899) Il Reggimento Reale Dalmatta (Translated excerpts) Brandini & Crociani (Roma 1987) Uniformi del Primo Tricolore (Various Volumes) Broers, M. (London 1996) Europe Under Napoleon 1799-1815 Broers M (London 2005) The Napoleonic Empire In Italy 1796-1814 Brnardic V (London 2004) Napoleon’s Balkan Troops Capra, Carlo (Turin 1978) L'età Rivoluzionaria e Napoleonica in Italia 1796-1815 Connelly, Owen. (NY 1965) Napoleon’s Satellite Kingdoms Currie J (London 1979) The Kingdom of Italy Infantry 1805-14 Elting J (NY 1988) Swords Around A Throne Franzozi P ed (Roma 1987) Napoleone in Italia Soldati e Uniformes Fugier, A. (Paris 1947) Napoleon et l'Italie (Translated excerpts) Galliani G Parisini G & Rocchiero G (Genova 1970) La Cavalleria di Linia Italica 1796-1814 Gregory, D. (AUP 2001) Napoleon’s Italy Ilari & Crociani (Milano) La Marina Italiana di Napoleone 1796-1814 Ilari & Crociani (Milano) La Sanita Militare in Italia durante le Guerre Napoleoniche Knötel R & Sieg R Hamburg 1937) Handbuch der Uniformen Kunde Lemmi, F. (Milan 1906) Le Origini del Risorgimento Italiano, 1789-1815 Nafziger GF (London 2002) The Defense of the Napoleonic Kingdom of Northern Italy Oman, Carola (London 1966) Napoleon’s Viceroy Eugéne Beauharnais Pigni, E (Milano 2001) La Guardia di Napoleone re d’Italia (Translated excerpts) Rawkins W J (Maidenhead 1977)The Italian Army 1805-1814 Rawkins W J & Evans P (Maidenhead 1975) Eagles Flags & Standards of the Italian Army 1805-14 Regnault, J (Paris 1967) Les Aigles Imperiales et le Drapeau Treicolore 1804-1815 Schneid FC (USA 1995) Soldiers of Napoleon’s kingdom of Italy 1800-1815 Articles and essays from the contributors to the following magazines and online facilities Tradition, Napoleon Series, Société D'histoire Italie, Depesche, Император, Uniformes, Napitalia, Napoleon Online, Le Service historique de l'armée de terre, Marina Militare, Flags Forum. The art of H Boisselier M Brandini Peter Bunde Quinto Cenni Forthoffer Hoffman André Jouineau H Knötel R Knötel Rene North Perconte Rigo Suhr Brothers E Wagner Weiland F Berjaud

The 'e-books' [sorry a PDF on a CD isn't an e-book but never mind  ;)] are not exhaustively footnoted but they are massively updated on the original paperback series and offer probably the single best single-source, all wrapped up together study of each army that's in the reach of the majority of wargamers. Like all secondary information collections they will never be sufficient for the series academic or student who wishes to research for themselves but for the typical wargamer they are pretty darn good.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Chad on 03 February 2019, 06:08:30 PM
👍👍👍


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: John Cook on 03 February 2019, 06:17:13 PM
He does, for instance this is his sources page from CB03 - The Kingdom of Italy 1805-14

SOURCES
Addobatti,A (Milan 1899) Il Reggimento Reale Dalmatta (Translated excerpts) Brandini & Crociani (Roma 1987) Uniformi del Primo Tricolore (Various Volumes) Broers, M. (London 1996) Europe Under Napoleon 1799-1815 Broers M (London 2005) The Napoleonic Empire In Italy 1796-1814 Brnardic V (London 2004) Napoleon’s Balkan Troops Capra, Carlo (Turin 1978) L'età Rivoluzionaria e Napoleonica in Italia 1796-1815 Connelly, Owen. (NY 1965) Napoleon’s Satellite Kingdoms Currie J (London 1979) The Kingdom of Italy Infantry 1805-14 Elting J (NY 1988) Swords Around A Throne Franzozi P ed (Roma 1987) Napoleone in Italia Soldati e Uniformes Fugier, A. (Paris 1947) Napoleon et l'Italie (Translated excerpts) Galliani G Parisini G & Rocchiero G (Genova 1970) La Cavalleria di Linia Italica 1796-1814 Gregory, D. (AUP 2001) Napoleon’s Italy Ilari & Crociani (Milano) La Marina Italiana di Napoleone 1796-1814 Ilari & Crociani (Milano) La Sanita Militare in Italia durante le Guerre Napoleoniche Knötel R & Sieg R Hamburg 1937) Handbuch der Uniformen Kunde Lemmi, F. (Milan 1906) Le Origini del Risorgimento Italiano, 1789-1815 Nafziger GF (London 2002) The Defense of the Napoleonic Kingdom of Northern Italy Oman, Carola (London 1966) Napoleon’s Viceroy Eugéne Beauharnais Pigni, E (Milano 2001) La Guardia di Napoleone re d’Italia (Translated excerpts) Rawkins W J (Maidenhead 1977)The Italian Army 1805-1814 Rawkins W J & Evans P (Maidenhead 1975) Eagles Flags & Standards of the Italian Army 1805-14 Regnault, J (Paris 1967) Les Aigles Imperiales et le Drapeau Treicolore 1804-1815 Schneid FC (USA 1995) Soldiers of Napoleon’s kingdom of Italy 1800-1815 Articles and essays from the contributors to the following magazines and online facilities Tradition, Napoleon Series, Société D'histoire Italie, Depesche, Император, Uniformes, Napitalia, Napoleon Online, Le Service historique de l'armée de terre, Marina Militare, Flags Forum. The art of H Boisselier M Brandini Peter Bunde Quinto Cenni Forthoffer Hoffman André Jouineau H Knötel R Knötel Rene North Perconte Rigo Suhr Brothers E Wagner Weiland F Berjaud

The 'e-books' [sorry a PDF on a CD isn't an e-book but never mind  ;)] are not exhaustively footnoted but they are massively updated on the original paperback series and offer probably the single best single-source, all wrapped up together study of each army that's in the reach of the majority of wargamers. Like all secondary information collections they will never be sufficient for the series academic or student who wishes to research for themselves but for the typical wargamer they are pretty darn good.

Thanks for that.  People can get a bit anal when it comes to source material but one of the principle criticisms of his original stuff was that he didn't provide any at all.    I've been collecting plates, regulations and books for nearly 50 years and I recognise a lot of this material.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: TinyTinTroops on 04 February 2019, 03:28:59 PM
Hi John

Just got back from York show and got your e-mail. When I tried to reply your server rejected my reply.

This doesn't always mean that the e-mail didn't get to you but, in case it didn't, I'll answer it here and say that I would be very grateful to see the scans that you mention. I can read pretty well any graphic format or PDF, which ever is the easiest for you. French text is not a problem for me.

Thanks

Tony of TTT


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: TinyTinTroops on 04 February 2019, 03:32:26 PM
I have the current Rawkins book on the Duchy of Warsaw 1807-1814.
It details  flags for 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th8th, 13th 14th, 17th infantry regiments
1st chasseurs and uhlans

The current Rawkins editions are worth every penny, I spend £20 getting each printed out and sprial bound, although some are now so big as to need two volumes.
Mark

Hi Mark

Does it contain any illustrations of the flags ? Particularly I'm looking for photos of the surviving flags or drawings taken from them. I have text descriptions of the flags but they don't give enough to draw a flag from as there is no indication of the size or positioning of the elements listed in the descriptions.

Tony of TTT



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: sultanbev on 04 February 2019, 03:40:57 PM
Hi Mark

Does it contain any illustrations of the flags ? Particularly I'm looking for photos of the surviving flags or drawings taken from them. I have text descriptions of the flags but they don't give enough to draw a flag from as there is no indication of the size or positioning of the elements listed in the descriptions.

Tony of TTT


Some are descriptions only, but there are colour prints for the 1st, 4th, 6th, 8th, 13th, 14th and 17th Regiments, and 1st Chasseurs and 15th Uhlans. On pg124 there is colour painting of the Eagle Party for 5th Infantry Regiment,
Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: TinyTinTroops on 04 February 2019, 03:58:07 PM
Hi Mark

That is good to know, they may be useful if other offers of help don't turn up the same info.

Tony of TTT

PS I spoke to Leon at the York show and the layout of the flags sheets has now been decided.

Wurttemberg (17 flags) & Hess-Darmstadt (12 flags) will have their own sheets and the Saxons will come on two sheets (totalling 26 flags) so that every Regiment can be catered for.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: John Cook on 04 February 2019, 10:10:14 PM
Hi John

Just got back from York show and got your e-mail. When I tried to reply your server rejected my reply.

This doesn't always mean that the e-mail didn't get to you but, in case it didn't, I'll answer it here and say that I would be very grateful to see the scans that you mention. I can read pretty well any graphic format or PDF, which ever is the easiest for you. French text is not a problem for me.

Thanks

Tony of TTT


That's IT for you.  I will scan and email the Rigondaud plates to you tomorrow.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Matt J on 26 February 2019, 03:09:12 PM
Hi Leon

finally sorted my order -

NHD1 x 3
NHD2 x 1
NHD3 x 1
NHD4 x 1
NHD5 x 1
NHD6 x 1

NSA1 x 4
NSA2 x 1
NSA3 x 1
NSA4 x 3
NSA5 x 1
NSA6 x 1
NSA7 x 1
NSA8 x 1
NSA9 x 2
NSA10 x 1
NSA12 x 2

It's a bit more than my original pledge (and only a fraction of what I will end up needing - bloody scary this Napoleonic lark, should've stuck to tanks  :D)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: paulr on 26 February 2019, 11:21:52 PM
Well done that man  =D> =D>


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter!
Post by: Paper on 03 March 2019, 08:22:39 AM
Dammit! I'm never going to get the Korean War finished.


Well  what did you expect. To do better then France or America did in that theater? Finish a war in Korea, not very likely if you ask me.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Sandyfalkirk on 06 March 2019, 10:23:28 PM
How are we getting on with the sculpts?

I am not on here to moan, it takes time to do all that work well but a little update would be nice!



Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 07 March 2019, 02:49:30 AM
All of the sculpts are here at Pendraken HQ and we've master moulded the Hesse, Saxony and Warsaw batches.  The Wurttemburg batch needs photo'ing for everyone to look at and then we'll get those into a master mould as well.

Once that's done, we can crack on with the production moulds and get everyone sorted out. 


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: lenwelin on 08 March 2019, 08:00:39 PM
It is a great new. :)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Jesus on 11 March 2019, 06:57:33 PM
 :)


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 13 May 2019, 11:34:27 PM
Just to update everyone on our 1809 project, things have been a little delayed with getting BKC-IV released but we're almost there now.  Most of the moulding is done and we started production on the figures last week.  All being well we'll be ready to ship everything out to you before the end of the month.  We'll be in touch with all of the backers about the 2nd payment invoices very soon.

Hesse-Darmstadt
Master mould - DONE
Production moulds - DONE
Production casting - DONE

Saxony
Master mould - DONE
Production moulds - DONE
Production casting - To be done.

Duchy of Warsaw
Master mould - DONE
Production moulds - Only cavalry and limbers left to be done.
Production casting - To be done.

Wurttemberg
Master mould - DONE
Production moulds - Only cavalry and limbers left to be done.
Production casting - To be done.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: lenwelin on 15 May 2019, 11:39:54 PM
It is an epic new 😊


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Zippee on 16 May 2019, 08:25:50 AM
Excellent stuff, can't wait!

Will touch base at Partizan hopefully


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 16 May 2019, 09:06:42 PM
Will touch base at Partizan hopefully

Sadly we're not at Partizan, we're on the waiting list so hopefully they can squeeze us in soon!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Zippee on 17 May 2019, 12:21:38 PM
Doh!

ok then!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 28 May 2019, 11:02:06 PM
Another quick update for everyone as we're almost there now!  The production is almost complete so we'll be sending everyone an email later this week to sort out the invoices for the balance of your pledges.  The new figures can then be packaged and shipped out as soon as we receive the payments.

Hesse-Darmstadt
Master mould - DONE
Production moulds - DONE
Production casting - DONE

Saxony
Master mould - DONE
Production moulds - DONE
Production casting - DONE

Duchy of Warsaw
Master mould - DONE
Production moulds - DONE
Production casting - 50% complete.

Wurttemberg
Master mould - DONE
Production moulds - DONE
Production casting - To be done.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Sandyfalkirk on 29 May 2019, 10:20:00 PM
Not going to fib here, I'm seriously excited.

I know its sad but I don't care.

Hugel's brigade leading the attack, oh yes.

Saxons struggling at Wagram. Check it out.

Hessians at Aspern.

Great work Leon and team.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: paulr on 30 May 2019, 05:29:05 AM
Definitely something to get excited about <:-P


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 31 May 2019, 12:35:05 AM
Emails have been sent to all of the backers just to check that your pledges are correct before we send out the 2nd invoices.  Everything will start shipping out on Mon/Tues of next week.

For anyone waiting on the general release of these, it'll probably be a couple of weeks away to give these pledges time to arrive with all of the backers.  Not long to wait though!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: paulr on 31 May 2019, 12:56:21 AM
 =D> =D> =D> <:-P


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 31 May 2019, 02:13:25 PM
Oo Err Missus!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Matt J on 31 May 2019, 02:37:00 PM
yeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy  :D


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Matt J on 07 June 2019, 09:25:43 AM
and there on their way  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Scolty on 10 June 2019, 07:18:07 PM
Arrived home to find package on the mat!
Am I the first to post on receipt of the new range?

They look FANTASTIC !  A massive thanks to Zippee and Leon and the team for bringing all their hard work to fruition.

Will start painting soon - got to finish some Pendraken ACW bits and pieces first, then can devote some quality time to these wee rascals.

Again, a big thanks to all involved!

Scolty




Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: sultanbev on 10 June 2019, 07:24:54 PM
Mine arrived this morning :)

Mark


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 10 June 2019, 10:12:14 PM
Great stuff, good to hear that the packages are arriving safely.

 :-bd


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: grahambeyrout on 10 June 2019, 11:34:00 PM
Mine arrived this morning, and  I am very happy with them. I do rather like the civilian with the top hat. Add a tad to the height of the hat and I think he would make a more than passable Isambard Kingdom Brunel. 


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 11 June 2019, 09:31:29 AM
Mine are lovely and the first battalion is undercoated!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Sandyfalkirk on 11 June 2019, 06:23:16 PM
On second battalion of Saxons at 1:20 scale!

Having to go to work  sucks!

Hugels lights next


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 11 June 2019, 06:28:50 PM
Some of you are moving fast on these!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Zippee on 14 June 2019, 08:19:56 AM
i returned from holiday to find an unreasonably large and heavy box waiting for me.

Fantastic stuff, now I just need to finish building b***y wardrobes so I can get to work.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Zippee on 09 July 2019, 02:09:04 PM
Hi Leon,

finally been able to start unpacking this small mountain :)

and have noticed I failed to order some bits - I'll rectify that soon! As the new bits aren't on the website yet, i presume I just email direct?

However I also noticed a distinct lack of any Austrian 6pdr wurst guns and gunners, have they been sculpted yet?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 09 July 2019, 02:22:57 PM
As the new bits aren't on the website yet, i presume I just email direct?

However I also noticed a distinct lack of any Austrian 6pdr wurst guns and gunners, have they been sculpted yet?

They should be on the site by the weekend, so you can wait for that or pop me an email, no worries!

The wurst guns have been sculpted but we need to get some riders to sit on them, so they won't be appearing for a short while.  I can send you some carriages though if you're happy to have them without riders?


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: ianrs54 on 09 July 2019, 03:24:56 PM
The wurst guns have been sculpted

Bartwurst or Brotwurst ?

IanS


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: mad lemmey on 09 July 2019, 05:01:30 PM
Whichever is the wurst for you


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 10 July 2019, 12:39:12 PM
That must be the wurst joke ever...


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Zippee on 10 July 2019, 02:05:25 PM
They should be on the site by the weekend, so you can wait for that or pop me an email, no worries!

The wurst guns have been sculpted but we need to get some riders to sit on them, so they won't be appearing for a short while.  I can send you some carriages though if you're happy to have them without riders?


thanks Leon,
I can wait a bit longer :) just wanted to ensure they hadn't landed on teh sculpting room floor

because that would have been the wurst result!  :'(


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: mollinary on 10 July 2019, 02:35:09 PM
Don’t worry, as current events clearly demonstrate we don’t live in the best of times, we obviously must live in the wurst of times!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: LetsPartyWithCossacks on 18 July 2019, 05:21:53 AM
After all that wurst of all the 1809 Aliies don't even seem to be up. 


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 18 July 2019, 10:44:58 AM
I do hope you are not talking about my Wurstemburgers!


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: toxicpixie on 18 July 2019, 11:05:54 AM
It was the best of worlds, it was the wurst of worlds.

Wurst pun ever.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Techno on 18 July 2019, 11:32:05 AM
 X_X X_X X_X X_X

%-(

You're all wurst oiks than Nobby.

Cheers - 8-X  :D


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 18 July 2019, 01:11:30 PM
After all that wurst of all the 1809 Aliies don't even seem to be up. 

Not quite yet, I had to get the last of the Indian Mutiny moulds prepped for one of our guys to get the moulds done. I've got all of the Naps on painting strips and I'll be blackwashing them today/tomorrow ready for photo'ing and release over the weekend.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 18 July 2019, 06:15:12 PM
Dum da dum dum Dum...


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: LetsPartyWithCossacks on 18 July 2019, 06:28:13 PM
Very glad to hear that Leon. Like others, despite my mini mountain of these I missed a few bits.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: paulr on 18 July 2019, 09:54:01 PM
X_X X_X X_X X_X

%-(

You're all wurst oiks than Nobby.

Cheers - 8-X  :D

 X_X What have you done :o

Nobby may take that as a challenge X_X


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: LetsPartyWithCossacks on 19 July 2019, 12:06:18 AM
Now the BBC is doing it:
http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20190718-why-young-germans-think-this-career-is-the-wurst
Lucky we remain unaffected here in Oz.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: Leon on 19 July 2019, 12:15:41 AM
Blackwashing all done today so I'll get them photo'd on Friday and released on Saturday.


Title: Re: 1809 Allies - Not-Kickstarter! - Pledging closed, Naps getting sculpted!
Post by: lowlylowlycook on 19 July 2019, 01:30:27 AM
Is making your sausage stand out with a black wash really ethical advertising?