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Title: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Orcs on 02 August 2018, 11:52:38 AM
I have become increasingly reluctant to paint without using my Optivisor, which I would highly recommend .cCrrently they retail with a single lens from £27 to £70.

I was looking for a better way to paint on holiday,  preferably glasses that would incorporate both my prescription and a magnifier.

Whilst looking I saw this item below.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MagiDeal-Magnifier-Repair-Optivisor-Welding/dp/B074RZJ6H1/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_201_lp_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=S178463H9DHRZ4NYBQD1

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Lens-Head-Band-Magnifier-Optivisor-Eye-Loupe-Watch-Repair-Welding-Head-Visor/262714328538?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

It is I believe a Chinese copy of the Optivisor. However at less than £14 including 3 additional lenses I thought it was worth a go.

While not as small as a pair of glasses if I loose it or it gets broken in my luggage its not a huge loss.

I ordered the ones from ebay.

It arrived this morning.  It is almost an Identical product.

Its frame is identical to the Donegan Optivisor I have , but a seems to be a lighter weight plastic.

It can be adjusted in the same way for size

The tightening screws on the sides are better shaped for tightening the lense part

It comes with 4 lenses which are marked by their magnification. 1.5x , 2x , 2.5x , 3x   - Optivisor ones are marked by their Dioptre rating.  I use the number 3 which is actually 1.75x .  Be aware that as the magnification increases the focal length decreases so you have to work closer to your eyes.

It also has spare pins for attaching the lenses - something that the Optivisor does not (and they are impossible to get).  I have had to replace mine with small nuts and bolts

The lenses are not as well made but seem to do the job.  I have not tried them all but they do seem to have different magnifications. the one I tried 2x seemed fine.They are identical sizes to the Optivisor I have and look like you could interchange them - I have not tried.  I have done no serious test as to the optical quality when compared to my Donegan lenses

Conclusion

If you want to try an Optivisor without paying out serious money to see if you get on with them this might be a good option.  If you just want some different lenses for your existing Optivisor this may also be a good idea

I took chance and bought off Ebay it arrived in just over a week.  If you want more safety in ordering you can order off Amazon but it will cost you an extra £3.


Cheers

Orcs
 

 







Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Big Gazza on 02 August 2018, 12:28:18 PM
I opted for the dirt cheap option, ready reader glasses from poundland. 4.5 strength at a quid a pop, this then allows me more money for figures  ;D


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Ithoriel on 02 August 2018, 12:35:31 PM
I have one of these and find it really useful.

4 lenses, led light (which, to be fair, I don't use), lightweight and easy to flip up out of the way and back down. At less than fifteen quid I thought it well worth the money.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rolson-Tools-60390-LED-Head-Loupe-Magnifier-Visor-Brand-New/291931374665?hash=item43f8774449:g:9wgAAOSwmUdUW6jn


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: ronan on 02 August 2018, 01:38:31 PM
I opted for the dirt cheap option, ready reader glasses from poundland. 4.5 strength at a quid a pop, this then allows me more money for figures  ;D


+1
 ;D


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Sunray on 02 August 2018, 02:28:16 PM
I opted for the dirt cheap option, ready reader glasses from poundland. 4.5 strength at a quid a pop, this then allows me more money for figures  ;D

He must have Royal Marine in his DNA !  :)


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Orcs on 02 August 2018, 02:32:32 PM
I opted for the dirt cheap option, ready reader glasses from poundland. 4.5 strength at a quid a pop, this then allows me more money for figures  ;D

Afraid that would not work for me they would be a magnified blur. I need my prescription glasses as well


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Leman on 02 August 2018, 03:07:46 PM
Iíve never tried optivisors.  I use prescription reading glasses to paint.


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: ronan on 02 August 2018, 03:39:39 PM
Afraid that would not work for me they would be a magnified blur. I need my prescription glasses as well

Don't tell anybody, but that's what I also need ...   X_X
I'm ugly when I wear two pair of glasses...   :Ph :-& :-B
;D


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Orcs on 02 August 2018, 05:05:52 PM
Don't tell anybody, but that's what I also need ...   X_X
I'm ugly when I wear two pair of glasses...   :Ph :-& :-B
;D


Mrs Orcs says I look like a Mole. - Very rude 


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: ianrs54 on 03 August 2018, 07:03:56 AM
Mrs Orcs says I look like a Mole. - Very rude 

Try taking the black velvet jacket off ...


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Techno on 03 August 2018, 08:58:51 AM
As I've mentioned umpteen times before...When making the wee men, I have to use my Optivisor 'over' my prescription glasses.

(I'm VERY short sighted......but for the past 20 years, I've also become 'long sighted' as well.....Don't ask...It doesn't make sense to me either. ;))

I use the lowest magnification lenses.....these 'make' the figures a tiny bit bigger...but more importantly, they mean I can focus on the figure at a much closer distance, which is what I'm after more than anything.

I did invest in the highest magnification lenses, but with those, I found that the depth of field is SO narrow I could only focus on the tiniest part of the model....for example, the nose...And everything else was a horrible blur, which gave me a splitting headache within about 10 minutes.

Never used those lenses, since.

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Ithoriel on 03 August 2018, 10:12:59 AM
Yup, optivisor worn over normal glasses for me too.


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: mollinary on 03 August 2018, 01:16:46 PM
Just picked up the one mentioned by Ithoriel, £11.90 on Amazon.  Ordered yesterday afternoon, delivered half an hour ago. Seems simple and easy to use, and I like the varied lenses. Very good value.


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 10 February 2019, 06:25:23 PM
Inspired by Optivisor talk on here, I poked about and placed an order for this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0743BKK6B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0743BKK6B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

£9.99, worth a punt, I through.


Wandering downstairs for a scheduled hour of painting this afternoon, the doorbell rang and the courier handed me a parcel.
The gadget had arrived - superb timing.
It took about 5 minutes to figure out how it works and find a comfortable position.

I've previously grumbled about my long sight and the difficulties it causes with close work.
As an example, I've been reduced to sticking a blob of paint on the general area of the face because I cannot resolve hairline and features.

The change was remarkable.
I selected the middle lens from a selection of five, and was immediately able to see hairlines, facial features and other fine detail.
Depth of focus is limited compared to reading glasses, but at least there is a tight focus.
I found the first lens was best at about 8", whihc required holding the figures quite high off the table.
Stepping to the 2nd lens (lower magnification) gave me 12" reach, much more comfortable for a long session.

I did wonder whether working at high magnification would cause some problems.
Would my brush motor skills coordinate with the pig picture I was presented?
Would I suffer eye-strain after a short time.

Motor skills - I've struggled when working under a fixed magnifier, but as these move with the head, everything seemed quite natural.

Eye-strain - I was so impressed I spent 2 hours doing the planned painting, and then tidying up a lot of previous work.


So a big win for just under a tenner.

The headset is rather different to the ones I've seen before.
It has a nose rest and ear "arms" like traditional glasses.
I wondered whether this would fit neatly over my reading glasses - it worked for me - having a big nose evidently helps here.
There is an option to replace the "arms" with an elastic wrapper.

The headset comes with 5 lenses, and an integrated lamp that runs from 3 x AAA batteries.
I have some pretty good lighting, so have not used this yet.


So, thanks to all the helpful people on the forum who posted their optivisor experience.
And anybody struggling to pain due to eyesight issues - I'd recommend this product - good value, easy to use and gets the job done.


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Techno on 10 February 2019, 06:35:17 PM
Steve.

The one thing you probably want to 'watch' is using the 'higher magnification' lenses.

I permanently use the 1.5x mag lenses when I'm making the wee chaps....It allows me to get closer to the model....and obviously magnifies things a tad.

I have got a 5x pair of lenses...but if I ever try and use those, I end up with the headache from hell.....and feeling queasy, as those lenses have got such an incredibly shallow depth of field.

For example....If I were to use the 5x lenses to do a face on a 10mm figure....I'd be able to focus on 'the nose'... and everything else is just a horrid blur....I find that magnification vomit inducing. ;)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Ithoriel on 10 February 2019, 07:30:03 PM
Yep, I agree with Phil.

I have the Rolson equivalent, which was a similar price. Never found a use for anything but the lowest magnification lense, though I'm using mine with my specs which makes a difference.


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 10 February 2019, 07:46:20 PM
Checked the manual and the 2 strengths I used were x2 (which had me working a bit too close - tired out the arms) and x1.5 - just right.


I can't see much requirement to go further up the gears.
I'd simply be spotting details or imperfections that were not obvious to the naked eye.

On the other hand, the higher mags might come in handy for other tasks like electronics assembly or threading needles.


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Techno on 10 February 2019, 07:55:03 PM
On the other hand, the higher mags might come in handy for other tasks like electronics assembly or threading needles.

True, Steve  ;)

Or if you were trying to some intricate detail on a 'flat' item.....Perhaps a shield or flag ?

Other than that, I'd give the higher 'mags' a miss. :)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Raider4 on 11 February 2019, 09:25:59 PM
Inspired by Optivisor talk on here, I poked about and placed an order for this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0743BKK6B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0743BKK6B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

£9.99, worth a punt, I through.

Heh, looks like something from the film Oblivion (just been on on Film4), all white plastic with black techy bits. Glad it works for you, must admit it looks a bit odd to me.


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: fsn on 11 February 2019, 09:37:20 PM
I ave an optivisor. I gave up using it and use some £1.99 reading glasses.


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 11 February 2019, 10:39:42 PM
I ave an optivisor. I gave up using it and use some £1.99 reading glasses.

A set of Foster Grants would probably do the same job.
And I may look out for a pair at x2.0 if they're at the £2.00 mark.

The Ten Quid magnifier came with a set of 5 lenses, giving a bit of scope for adjustment.



Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: John Cook on 13 February 2019, 03:20:40 AM
I used Boots reading glasses, 1.5x for painting and 4x for sculpting.  I tried the Optivisor which was OK but not so handy as specs.  They all worked fine and just replaced my normal bifocals.  In the end though, I found the Mk 1 eyeball without any devices still worked best.

The trouble with high magnification is that you end up trying to paint stuff you just can't see with the naked eye. 

I bought one of these some months ago though, which has replaced all previous magnifying devices.  https://www.alwayshobbies.com/tools/lighting-and-magnification/lightcraft-long-reach-slim-line-magnifier-lamp

It has replaced two Anglepoise lamps with daylight bulbs.  The light is superb with excellent coverage and almost shadow-free.  The lens has two magnifications and is there when I need it.   It is just the perfect solution and i can't recommend it highly enough.



Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 13 February 2019, 04:51:14 PM
I used Boots reading glasses, 1.5x for painting and 4x for sculpting.  I tried the Optivisor which was OK but not so handy as specs.  They all worked fine and just replaced my normal bifocals.  In the end though, I found the Mk 1 eyeball without any devices still worked best.

The trouble with high magnification is that you end up trying to paint stuff you just can't see with the naked eye. 

I bought one of these some months ago though, which has replaced all previous magnifying devices.  https://www.alwayshobbies.com/tools/lighting-and-magnification/lightcraft-long-reach-slim-line-magnifier-lamp

It has replaced two Anglepoise lamps with daylight bulbs.  The light is superb with excellent coverage and almost shadow-free.  The lens has two magnifications and is there when I need it.   It is just the perfect solution and i can't recommend it highly enough.



Excellent points John.

I'm taking pains to avoid over-detailing now.
Any superpower must be combined with wisdom for best effect.

I've chatted with my short sighted mates, and several of them manage fine with the naked Mk. 1 eyeball for close work.

I inherited the family curse of long sight (Mind you several predecessors were paid his or her majesty's markman's bonus (Or whetever it was officially called)) so it's not all bad.
Being a lifelong civvie, it helps me distinguish bird species beyond a quarter mile.

Back at the painting desk.
I focus on the figures when they're about 4 feet away.
However resolution's not great at that distance (both small and far away in father Dougal parlance).
I suppose I could lobby Leon to stock some extra long handled brushes, as the condition's only going to get worse.


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Orcs on 13 February 2019, 08:45:56 PM
Being a lifelong civvie, it helps me distinguish bird species beyond a quarter mile.


I am long sited as well.

Tts very useful with identifying birds - I can distinguish between a "large chested freckled redhead" and a "black boxed blond" at quite a distance  :)


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Womble67 on 14 February 2019, 12:55:57 PM
I use both optivisor and a pair of glasses I got from the chemist, and to be honest I couldn't manage without him

Take care

Andy


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Westmarcher on 14 February 2019, 01:10:13 PM
I use both optivisor and a pair of glasses I got from the chemist, and to be honest I couldn't manage without him

Take care

Andy

Did you send him a Valentine Card today?


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 14 February 2019, 01:48:24 PM
I am long sited as well.

Tts very useful with identifying birds - I can distinguish between a "large chested freckled redhead" and a "black boxed blond" at quite a distance  :)

I find the latter species increasingly tricky since they've been applying their eyebrows with highlighter pen.


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Orcs on 14 February 2019, 07:54:06 PM
I find the latter species increasingly tricky since they've been applying their eyebrows with highlighter pen.

Yes but they are easy to spot if you gain their trust.  :)


Title: Re: Cheap Optivisor Copy
Post by: Womble67 on 14 February 2019, 08:56:29 PM
Did you send him a Valentine Card today?

Lol my bad should of been them