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Title: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Nirnman on 11 July 2018, 10:05:02 AM
Is there any group for wargamers akin to gamblers or alcoholics anonymous?
I pose this question as I have, like many wargamers, many ongoing projects some nearly complete, some started and, some still awaiting my attention.
It is now July 11 and here in N Ireland, we are gearing up for the 328th commemoration of the Battle of the Boyne on July 1 1690. It's not we are backward, though some may say we are,
but we celebrate 11 days later due to the calendar changes since it happened, we also keep July 1 for remembering our losses on the first day of the Somme in WW1, Anyway, to get to the meat of my question with the recent release of the third edition of "Beneath the lily banners- the war of three kings" and Clib's wonderful LOA figures for Pendraken I can feel myself twitching with the attraction of starting another project Forces for the wars in Ireland. Is there any hor group that provides support to help curb these urges or, am I condemned to start buying more shineys and start another project which may get completed at some point or not?

A quivering wreck needing advice  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Ithoriel on 11 July 2018, 11:05:51 AM
A notable purveyor of fine 10mm figures runs such a group.

You are already a member :)

Hi, my name is Mike and I'm a wargaming addict .... it's been three weeks since my last purchase  ;D
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: FierceKitty on 11 July 2018, 12:11:29 PM
I have about a hundred armies, and I am still taking it one regiment at a time....
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: fsn on 11 July 2018, 12:40:50 PM
The only thing I think you have to worry about Nirnman is your deliusion that you have actually finished a project.

Remember what Leonardo da Vinci said - "can't you smile a bit? If I paint you like this it'll look like you've got wind."

He also said "art is never finished - it is only abandoned". Similarly wargames projects are never completed, they are only temporarily boxed.  stirrings for new projects are just the Dark Lord's way of saying "buy more".

Nothing at all to worry about.

Not a thing.
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: parkerm17 on 11 July 2018, 06:52:01 PM
I believe it is called The Sons of Larry Leadhead!   Are those cartoons still appearing, I wonder?   I have so many "projects" my wife now calls it "the P word".
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Orcs on 11 July 2018, 10:15:24 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 11 July 2018, 11:05:51 AM
A notable purveyor of fine 10mm figures runs such a group.

You are already a member :)

Hi, my name is Mike and I'm a wargaming addict .... it's been three weeks since my last purchase  ;D

I am afraid Ithoriel is right


Quote from: fsn on 11 July 2018, 12:40:50 PM
The only thing I think you have to worry about Nirnman is your deliusion that you have actually finished a project.


You might be able to get treatment for your delusions- because that's what they are, but that just mean you have to accept you have not finished the projects and will need to buy more stuff for each of them at some point.



There is only one cure for this addiction. Its when the grim reaper comes to collect you  :)

Wargamer's Wife/Spouse/Partner :  I am fed up of these little soldiers, Its Me Or them

Wargamer :  I will miss you !! :)



Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Orcs on 11 July 2018, 10:17:22 PM
Hi my name is Mark and I am a wargaming addict. It's been 11 hours since my last purchase and 10 seconds since I last felt the need to work out what I needed next.
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 12 July 2018, 07:14:32 AM
I just buy.....
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Nirnman on 12 July 2018, 10:21:08 AM
Oh Lor what have I started?
It's now July 12 and the urge is getting irresistible but what to purchase first figures or rule set?
The worst thing is without a rule set to work from I have no idea of what figures I need or how to base them.
I have a reasonable knowledge of how infantry and cavalry were organised in this period but my idea may conflict with how a rule set
may treat them and hate rebasing with a vengeance (I'm in the process of rebasing my WW2 from single, so the could be used for Battlegroup, COC or Rapid Fire) to multi bases to work the rest of m mates RF armies.)  Has anyone used "Beneath the Lily Banners the war of Three Kings
I have seen The LOA groups 28 mm pics of units but in 10mm they would look unrealistic sized units. the benefit of 10mm is that units look more like the real thing, though I  suppose 6mm would give an even better look as it does with my group's 7YW forces then I haven't found a 6mm LOA figure maker. Besides, I have a few of Clib's LOA command figs I bought on spec and I love with them Any help would be appreciated?
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Orcs on 12 July 2018, 10:56:19 AM
This is what you have to do in 10 EASY steps

1) Pick your two sides in 10mm, then buy two Army packs for each side. - that's your Starter Armies ( Note I said Starter armies)
2) Purchase some suitable Camp components x 2
3) Buy a few civilians they always come in handy
4) Buy some casualty markers
5)You can now look for a suitable rule set, while you are painting them up
6) Purchase rules  you can work out base sizes and how many figures a base
7) Now order Bases from Leon to fit in with the rules.
8 ) Check you have suitable terrain, If not Purchase or make suitable Terrain for your chosen period, location 
9) Realise you need more figures so order another half a dozen packs per side and bases
10) When all is painted look for a good scenario ....... and realise you are two infantry units , one cavalry unity and two light guns and one terrain piece short of those needed.
11) Repeat steps 8 and 9 and 9 ad infinitum


Note you have only finished this project when you have the largest army for both sides that ever took to the field on a 1-1 ratio. ( Just accept this and your delusions will stop)








Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: FierceKitty on 12 July 2018, 11:00:39 AM
Terrain, Orcs. Don't mislead someone who comes to you in need of serious advice about the minimum necessary to get started.
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: fsn on 12 July 2018, 12:42:17 PM
Mine flowchart is a bit different:

1) See a film/picture/article/book/comment of the Pendraken forun that piques your interest
2) Research uniforms, organisation etc. Although this can be on the internet, research is not valid without at least 1 Osprey being purchased.
3) Prepare OOBs and map to Pendraken catalogue
4) Purchase in carefully budgeted batches until all have been bought
5) Start painting
6) Make a "interest deflected" roll. On d6>2 go to 1
7) Finish painting.
8) Rules? What rules?
9) Make a "interest deflected" roll. On d6>2 go to 1
10) Make a "Dark Lord intervenes roll". On d6>3 Pendraken produce more in units in a rage that you've half started. Go to 2.

Dunno what happens after that. Never quite made it.


Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Orcs on 12 July 2018, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 12 July 2018, 11:00:39 AM
Terrain, Orcs. Don't mislead someone who comes to you in need of serious advice about the minimum necessary to get started.

Well spotted FK

See above correction
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Orcs on 12 July 2018, 12:50:45 PM
Quote from: fsn on 12 July 2018, 12:42:17 PM
Mine flowchart is a bit different:

1) See a film/picture/article/book/comment of the Pendraken forun that piques your interest
2) Research uniforms, organisation etc. Although this can be on the internet, research is not valid without at least 1 Osprey being purchased.
3) Prepare OOBs and map to Pendraken catalogue
3a) Purchase a couple of Centurions - Just in case
4) Purchase in carefully budgeted batches until all have been bought
5) Start painting
5b) Paint Centurions
6) Make a "interest deflected" roll. On d6>2 go to 1
6a) Check to see if Pendraken have released any more centurion Variants.
6b) Purchase two of each new variant.
6d) Go to "quiet place" with laminated Vanguard of "The Centurion" to look at pictures of new variant available
6c) if no new variants,  purchase a couple of more of the ones you have, after all 12 Centurion bridge layers may not be enough for the next scenario
7) Finish painting.
8) Rules? What rules?
9) Make a "interest deflected" roll. On d6>2 go to 1  on a 1 go to 6a
10) Make a "Dark Lord intervenes roll". On d6>3 Pendraken produce more in units in a rage that you've half started. Go to 2.

Dunno what happens after that. Never quite made it.


You missed the bit about the Centurions, so I have taken the liberty of correcting your flow chart to FSN reality
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: fsn on 12 July 2018, 01:52:45 PM
That seems fair enough.

Though 2 Centurions is never enough. Need a troop at least.  :D
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 12 July 2018, 03:09:11 PM
No - it's 1 Centurion to 79 Legionaries

IanS
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 12 July 2018, 03:10:43 PM
Took you lot long enough to get here, shall we call the meeting to order?
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Nirnman on 12 July 2018, 03:19:25 PM
I have to admit that Fsn's timetable is so far the most akin to the way I do these things lol
:D :D :D :D
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Orcs on 12 July 2018, 04:01:40 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 12 July 2018, 03:10:43 PM
Took you lot long enough to get here, shall we call the meeting to order?

Order ? did some one say order?

Ok then
1 Republican Roman Army pack
1 Carthaginian Army pack
2 packs of pretorian Guard
2 pack of archers
1 pack Of Gaul fanatics
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30 minutes later
3 A9 tanks
6 Bren carriers
2 25 Pounders
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Another 10 minutes later
2 packs Iron brigade
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An a pot of Vallejo Primer.

What's next on the Agenda?









Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Raider4 on 12 July 2018, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: fsn on 12 July 2018, 12:42:17 PM
6) Make a "interest deflected" roll. On d6>2 go to 1

Oh, this. So very much this. Sigh.
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: fsn on 12 July 2018, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: fsn on 12 July 2018, 12:42:17 PM
10) Make a "Dark Lord intervenes roll". On d6>3 Pendraken produce more in units in a rage that you've half started. Go to 2.
That should of course be "range".

The Dark Lord, may his waters never reek of asparagus, is well known for his mild manners and peaceable nature.


Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 12 July 2018, 05:51:57 PM
Quote from: Orcs on 12 July 2018, 04:01:40 PM
1 Republican Roman Army pack
2 packs of pretorian Guard
You know these aren't in the sane range? Dies this mean your imperials Romans are nearly started? 😈
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Orcs on 12 July 2018, 06:33:34 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 12 July 2018, 05:51:57 PM
You know these aren't in the sane range? Dies this mean your imperials Romans are nearly started? 😈

Are you sitting comfortably?   Then I'll begin

In the long and distant past Pendraken did not make Pretorian Guard, so to complete my Trajanic Army for the Dacian wars  I needed some veterans so I had to go to another manufacturer. They were only just adequate, but what ho!

After I had completed sufficient units for the Warmaster army for now,( including putting on some 300 VVV shield transfers) . The Dark Lord remoddled the range , Not only providing Praetorian guard but also Eastern Legionaries.  I was agast.  Now I have strongly resisted replacing these units despite the exquisiteness of the new figures etc etc. as my army was almost complete ( I appreciate the word complete is not a word that we accept as a real word) BUT....... I started playing Sword and Spear. This needs 4 bases of figures per unit so I am left with a couple of options.

Repaint and retransfer the shields of 20 Praetorian Guard  (which will also mean rebasing).

OR 

I buy some of the new exquisite figures, replace the existing units and sell the old units on Evil bay
I also need to increase the number of bases in a variety of units

Ancient British fanatics
Roman bow

Etc Etc.

So given the option and my obvious addiction the choice of - Repaint or get better shiny stuff had only one conclusion.  :D

In the mean time like  a true wargamer I got the urge to do the Punic wars which I am now researching.










Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Nirnman on 14 July 2018, 09:42:13 AM
Well, I have succumbed to the irresistible lure of this new period, the third edition of "Beneath the Lily Banners"  as well as The complete Boyne painting guides and the Osprey campaign book for the Boyne on order next phase is to sit down and work out purchases figures and buildings required. Wish me luck. hopefully, this will keep me occupied until another period catches my eye.
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Techno on 14 July 2018, 10:02:56 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 12 July 2018, 05:51:57 PM
You know these aren't in the sane range? Dies this mean your imperials Romans are nearly started? 😈

I completely deny being sane.

Quote from: Orcs on 12 July 2018, 06:33:34 PM

Repaint and retransfer the shields of 20 Praetorian Guard  (which will also mean rebasing).

OR 

I buy some of the new exquisite figures, replace the existing units and sell the old units on Evil bay
I also need to increase the number of bases in a variety of units

Ancient British fanatics
Roman bow

In the mean time like  a true wargamer I got the urge to do the Punic wars which I am now researching.

You know it makes sense, Mark.

Give your money to Leon....and he can give some of that to me.  ;D ;D ;D
(I think I've still only seen one 'batch' of the Imperial Romans painted...here on the forum....AND TALKING OF PAINTING...where's that pic of that hobbit thingy I made at your request, Mark  :P :D)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: fsn on 14 July 2018, 10:15:57 AM
Orcs, surely you should decide in  the traditional wargamers way? D6.

1,2  Repaint and retransfer the shields of 20 Praetorian Guard  (which will also mean rebasing).
3,4  Buy some of the new exquisite figures, replace the existing units and sell the old units on Evil bay
5,6  Ignore the Romans, they're passé. Buy some of the new Korean War range and get a better class of Centurion.
Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Orcs on 14 July 2018, 11:11:20 AM
Quote from: Techno on 14 July 2018, 10:02:56 AM
AND TALKING OF PAINTING...where's that pic of that hobbit thingy I made at your request, Mark  :P :D)

Cheers - Phil

It got its final coat of varnish on Monday, base was textured Wednesday, Been at work thurs and Friday.  On nights next week so will get a couple of hour painting time each day so will finish it then and photograph it.

I keep getting diverted by stuff that I need to get ready for a game

Title: Re: wargamers anonymous
Post by: Orcs on 14 July 2018, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: fsn on 14 July 2018, 10:15:57 AM
Orcs, surely you should decide in  the traditional wargamers way? D6.

5,6  Ignore the Romans, they're passé. Buy some of the new Korean War range and get a better class of Centurion.


In the nicest possible way B*gger off, I don't need more temptation  :)