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Title: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 28 February 2018, 09:35:17 AM
Hello

Having come from 1/72 Napoleonics, and realised I could never do what I wanted in that scale, an alternative was needed. The beauty of European metal 20mm meant that I had to find a scale that was not cartoonish, and I baulked at smaller scales.  But 10mm seems to me to be the smallest scale where this is achieved, and some of the sculpting is amazing.

Then seeing Jeff Knudsen's site at War Artisan just did it for me, so here I am, blinking in the sunlight at my new project: 1812 and 1813-14 Napoleonics on hopefully a grand scale.

So I have many questions, which hopefully won't be too annoyingly predictable.  But I am sure my first ones will be!

JJ

Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Steve J on 28 February 2018, 09:50:56 AM
Welcome on board JJ and look forward to seeing you project progress :).
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Orcs on 28 February 2018, 09:53:42 AM
Welcome to the Forum Mr Cossacks.

Whereabouts in Sydney are you. My Sister in Law lives in Manly and we had a very enjoyable holiday over there a while back.

Napoleonics are not really my speciality, but there are several on the forum who will have the answers to many of your more specific questions.  General questions most of us can answer, so ask away.

Cheers

Orcs
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: FierceKitty on 28 February 2018, 10:05:37 AM
Why are gamers in the east spread so thinly? :(
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Westmarcher on 28 February 2018, 10:09:37 AM
I don't know. Why are gamers in the east spread so thinly?


...... oh ..... it's not a joke ..... sorry


Welcome, Cossacks.  :-h


p.s. Please be patient with me. It's snowing here. And I'm stuck in the house. 
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 28 February 2018, 10:10:12 AM
Hello Orcs

Am on the same Northern side of the Harbour as Manly but not so close to the Sea!

My first general question is about base 'flocking'.  In 1/72 static grass and river sand (with washes & dry brushing) gave good results; no micro flock.  But in this scale what do people do: sponge/tree flock? Granular railway flock? Short static grass? Fine sand? A mixture?  Any pointers would be very welcome!

BTW what would happen if a band of Uruk Hai met an opposing Don Cossack sotnia?
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 28 February 2018, 10:16:28 AM
Is that the call from the West?

If it is nice to hear from you - my sister in law is in Perth and I am sure is enjoying your legendary hospitality!

Cheers JJ
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Westmarcher on 28 February 2018, 10:34:16 AM
Quote from: LetsPartyWithCossacks on 28 February 2018, 10:10:12 AM

My first general question is about base 'flocking'.  In 1/72 static grass and river sand (with washes & dry brushing) gave good results; no micro flock.  But in this scale what do people do: sponge/tree flock? Granular railway flock? Short static grass? Fine sand? A mixture?  Any pointers would be very welcome!

BTW what would happen if a band of Uruk Hai met an opposing Don Cossack sotnia?

I used to use flock for my 6mm collection so used flock when I upgraded to 10mm. However, I then started using fine sand and short static grass for my 15mm bases - a much better effect in my opinion. So, I've now re-covered my 10mm bases in short static grass and it works very well. Sorry, but I'm hopeless at posting photos on this forum but here are two links to a forum I can post photos on (apologies once again, only members can click on the thumbnails to enlarge but if you zoom in or register, you can see the results). The first link shows my 10mm miniatures with mainly flocked bases. The second with static grass bases.

http://honoursofwar.com/thread/339/syw-10mm (http://honoursofwar.com/thread/339/syw-10mm)
http://honoursofwar.com/thread/484/wchinitz-10mm (http://honoursofwar.com/thread/484/wchinitz-10mm)

As regards your last question, what are Don Cossacks doing in New Zealand?   :-\

p.s. Visited Sydney on holiday once. Stayed in Darling Harbour and had a view of the ANZAC bridge from my 66th floor apartment. Every morning listened to the traffic reports over "Seedney Habar Bridge."  :)
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Techno on 28 February 2018, 11:19:29 AM
A very warm welcome to the madhouse, JJ.  :-h

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 28 February 2018, 11:44:50 AM
Moaning
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Ithoriel on 28 February 2018, 11:55:11 AM
Hi-de-hi LetsPartyWithCossacks, welcome to the forum.

If you've been lurking here for a while you'll know what the forum is like. If not ...

The denizens here are friendly, helpful and knowledgeable, albeit sometimes weird and wacky!

99.99% of the time, if something is posted that might be intended to be humorous or to be horrible it's the former.

Thread derailment is such a common occurrence that staying on topic is almost a derailment in itself! :)

The in-jokes and personal hobby-horses will become apparent in time.

I hope you enjoy whatever time you spend here as much as I do.

As to basing, I use a mix of fine sands, short flock and fine gravel.

The photo below is of 6mm stuff but shows my usual basing style.
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 28 February 2018, 01:10:08 PM
Hello and welcome
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Matt J on 28 February 2018, 01:11:56 PM
Yo  :-h
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Leon on 28 February 2018, 03:17:48 PM
Hi JJ, welcome to the Forum!

8)
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: paulr on 28 February 2018, 06:25:35 PM
Welcome Mr Cossack :-h

As with most things wargaming there are more basing styles than gamers on this forum. It really depends on the look you are after.

If you are happy with your current look post a picture or two and I'm sure someone will have advise on how to achieve a similar look in 10mm, probably several lots of conflicting advise ;)

I use a mix of filler, paint and PVA with flock and clump foliage added as 'shrubbery', so probably not what you are after

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4711/25366174557_5a7ecce55a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EDwgXc)
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: fsn on 28 February 2018, 07:10:46 PM
What ho, Mr Cossacks!

I'm a recent convert to static grass. To illustrate Friend Ithoriel's point about hobby horses, I will add that for me that's enough. No bushes, tress, walls, rocks etc, on the basis that troops don't normally lug around bushes, trees, walls and/or rocks. 

I use a mix of two colours to give me a bit of variation, and have been known to "sculpt" tracks into the back of vehicle bases, but that's it.

Enjoy the forum.
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Orcs on 28 February 2018, 07:23:45 PM
I nortmally base my 10mm in a similar way to the Baccus bassing system n the link below

https://www.baccus6mm.com/includes/howto/base6mm.php

I deviate slightly in that I ran out of the foundation wash and felt the £5.50 he charged for another pot a bit excessive.  I found that really thinned down acrylic burnt umber is almost exactly the same, so I bought a tube of cheap artists acrylic and thin it down in a small jar. It lasts for ages.

The other annoying thing is that Baccus only sell the basing highlight shades as a set, and you use far more of the base and middle coat than the others.  I am still trying to find equivalent colours from another source.

I use 1.5mm static grass that I buy from the local railway shop at about £2.50 for 20g.  I have different flock for different scales and in some case periods.  When I get it I decant it into an empty (and washed) margarine tub.  I then stick the descriptive label on the lid so I know what it is and sometimes what army, figures I have used it on. That way you get consistency as sometimes the colours look similar until you apply them to a new unit and find it stands out from the others.


Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Orcs on 28 February 2018, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: LetsPartyWithCossacks on 28 February 2018, 10:10:12 AM
My first general question is about base 'flocking'.  In 1/72 static grass and river sand (with washes & dry brushing) gave good results; no micro flock.  But in this scale what do people do: sponge/tree flock? Granular railway flock? Short static grass? Fine sand? A mixture?  Any pointers would be very welcome!



Probably best to start a new thread in the relevant section for each question with a meaningful title.  From experience its then easier to find the answer again, when you inevitably forget.
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Orcs on 28 February 2018, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: LetsPartyWithCossacks on 28 February 2018, 10:10:12 AM
Hello Orcs

BTW what would happen if a band of Uruk Hai met an opposing Don Cossack sotnia?

The Horses would be scared of the wolves and the Uruks would be excited at the sight of all that extra meat.  they would probably slaughter a few horses and Cossacks  then fight amongst each other for the meat.
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: fsn on 28 February 2018, 07:39:30 PM
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: d_Guy on 28 February 2018, 09:07:07 PM
Hi Party With, welcome to the forum.
The movie canon seems to suggest that Ururk Hai never fare well against horse, or much of anything else, really. More show than substance.  ;)

I am very partial to static grass but for my bases I use mainly flock and a smattering of 2mm-4mm tufts.
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Leman on 01 March 2018, 08:38:40 AM
Hi Sydney, nice to get an Aussie sheila on the forum for a change.
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 01 March 2018, 09:18:52 AM
Wow what a welcome - Cheers to you all!

Looking at the basing you have done is just amazing, I didn't know you could get such results in this scale.  Thanks for your explanations. It has given me a lot to work with.

Orcs - your prediction is probably right, except for one thing maybe - catching the buggers.  The Don are hard to catch, even Uruk tire, and the Don might just be able to 'do a Bradbury' as we say in Aust (the Aust short track speed skater who in 2002 was the first athlete from the southern hemisphere to win an Olympic gold after his more fancied opponents crashed out on the last turn...)

Leman - very sorry to disappoint.

JJ

Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: pierre the shy on 02 March 2018, 08:09:31 AM
Welcome to the forum from across the Tasman JJ

I'm sure "the Don" would hit the Uruks for six  ;)
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: fsn on 02 March 2018, 03:58:35 PM

Here's quick video of my basing technique.  :^o

Got a bit carried away. Was only meant to be for a Centurion.


In the desert.


Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 03 March 2018, 07:07:03 AM
Brilliant Milord Oik! 

I had not thought about basing my 10mm on a single piece of 1 meter by 50cm foam with a road running through it, but watching the clip it seems the only way to go.

LPWC
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: fsn on 03 March 2018, 08:45:19 AM
Stick with the forum. You learn all sorts.  :D  Actually, ask Westmarcher his basing technique, and you'll get something similar to the video. 


You know. I think you will fit in well here.

Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Techno on 03 March 2018, 09:24:28 AM
Especially as he's already referring to you as 'Milord Oik, Nobby'.  ;D ;D ;D

(And no...I still have tried that link yet ! :-[)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Westmarcher on 03 March 2018, 01:05:41 PM
fsn's basing method.


:P
Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: fsn on 03 March 2018, 01:14:55 PM
That's about right.  :D  Certainly for tiny aircraft.

Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: Not Drowning, Waving on 04 March 2018, 07:40:49 AM
So the competing basing suggestions appear to be: a) large foam board with road; or b) strangely uniform green lumpy bits of plastic.

Each compelling but each not quite there yet.  The answer must be ...

combine the two. No stopping me now!

Title: Re: Hello from Sydney Australia
Post by: fsn on 04 March 2018, 09:05:39 AM
Yeah, perhaps there is a third way.