Hello.
These are the first steps.
Looking good, J. 8)
Cheers - Phil
You're work is always beautiful so looking forward to watching your progress!
Seconded :)
Looking forward to see what you're going to do to them!
Cheers,
Rob
Thankssss :)
Coming on nicely
Take care
Andy
almost there
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Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Lovely work, again, J. 8)
Cheers - Phil
Coming on nicely!
Definitely a nice paintjob but I see some authenticity issues... you want to hear them or rather not...?
Cheers,
Rob
Hello, I am always open to learn more. To paint them I have looked at different plates which may already have errors that I have copied. I find it hard to find a good photographic and bibliographic source on several occasions, in the end nothing is perfect and I just think that small mistakes may not be, after all nobody was there.
Really lovely figures, but It might be that federal issue kit usually comprised black leather straps and the back pack was also black painted canvas. The only white strap might be the water bottle strap. Which Zouave regt are you recreating? Have you got any of the osprey books?
When I painted my Seven Years War miniatures, I spent a lot of money on Osprey uniform books which I could well have saved if I had known about the Kronoskaf website beforehand. So, when it came to painting my Civil War miniatures, I avoided spending money on uniform books and resorted to the internet instead.
Reasoning that re-enactors are more likely to be motivated in "getting things right," I focused on movies that re-enactors have got involved in (e.g., Gettysburg & Gods and Generals) and suppliers of Civil War uniforms, equipment and accessories. I therefore recommend you do the same. The movies can be found on Amazon, YouTube, etc., as can footage of re-enactors' events. I have also referred to the movie, Glory. Suppliers of Uniforms, etc., are easily found using any search engine such as Google. Here are links to some suppliers. These are great for getting uniform colours and shades, hat colours, equipment colours, etc., and should help you paint the majority of your ACW armies, authentically and economically.
http://www.ccsutlery.com/store/ccsutlery.html (http://www.ccsutlery.com/store/ccsutlery.html)
https://fcsutler.com (https://fcsutler.com)
http://www.regtqm.com (http://www.regtqm.com)
https://www.civilwarsutler.co.uk (https://www.civilwarsutler.co.uk)
I am an American Civil War re-enactor (and several other periods) and have been for many years. We recreate the 6th Alabama Infantry that fought in the East from '62 onward and gained it's fame in the Sunken Road at Sharpsburg (Antietam for Yankees) under Gordon. To use re-enactors as a guideline is not always wise as I have seen many that are just in it for the fun and guns. I could point out some very good units if you're interested.
What I see is that it is sometimeshard to recognize certain types of equipment on figures if you don't know exactly what you're looking at, which makes painting them correctly also very difficult. Personally I find it a pity to see such quality paintwork being somewhat spoield by historical innacuracies, but hey... that's me!
As Dr. Dave already mentioned leather for Union troops is all black except for example for USMC and some early militia units who could have worn white. Haversacks for the Union were usually black but off-white or natural cotton wasalso used. Backpacks are black, in US service often with unit designations painted or stamped on them in white paint.
The canteens you have painted blue with the white 'circle' around them are US model 'Bullseye' canteens made from stamped tin plate with concentric rings for strength. These were issued with wool cloth covers, normally in light or dark blue but were often used without the covers showing the dull metal.
The Osprey books on the ACW, especially the later titles, are quite good actually although they do usually concentrate on very specific small units. Still; standard equipment used is usually portrayed very well.
Cheers,
Rob
Quote from: Ace of Spades on 10 January 2018, 08:52:30 AM
To use re-enactors as a guideline is not always wise as I have seen many that are just in it for the fun and guns.
Yes, there is always that to bear in mind. Indeed, in one of the above movies (can't remember which one), I recall seeing in one scene portraying a particularly serious battle situation (might have been Union routing troops at Chancellorsville?), one of the re-enactors running past the camera with a broad grin on his face(!) ...... #-o :D
You have bitten me and I have already changed the orange socks for whites. But the backpacks will not change because if I paint them black the figure will be too dark, it will be a small license to take me, apart from others that may suffer. I am a lover of osprey, but I can tell you that to paint something I sometimes spend more hours trying to find good models than painting. Even the plates are inaccurate at times, I remember when I painted the French blue cannons because I saw it and it turns out they were green as you told me. I try to be the most trustworthy possible but it is a task that is sometimes impossible or too titanic for me. So I am satisfied with reaching an accuracy of 80-90%.
You're right that with black packs and straps they do look dark, but thems the breaks! I undercoat black, but then dry brush lighter shades of brown up to a beige to reveal where the edges of the packs have become worn and scuffed, showing the canvas through. It looks great at the end. I don't know how you'd cope with painting the Brunswickers for Waterloo. ;)
Everybody should of course do what they are comfortable with and with the quality of your paintwork we'll forgive you the 10% on authenticity ;)
Cheers,
Rob
:) :) ;)
I'll only paint the face and the rifle to the brunswick ;D
Seriously, to paint them first I would put a base of black smoke, for example, and then I would take out some lights with a gray, to which you can add some spot of dirt on the pants. It is what I had thought to do in the straps and what I do in the cartridge cases.
Although it can also be interesting to give a base of gray and then make lights with black.
Finish
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.The rebels are also finished. When I have the diorama, I show it to you
Very nice, again, J. :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Sweet, Jesus! As ever brilliant work sir
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I really like that washed out campaign look.
What fun forums, (forii?), are! ;) My first Pendraken Confederate Infantry got pale blue caps...just like the Britains/Herald toys and the pic in an old Uniforms of the World book. JUST BECAUSE I LIKED THEM! They are now...(or will be, if I ever get some more Union done to have a worthwhile scrap!), a privately raised regiment...and a rather 'wild card' in the line of battle ;). Go with whatever YOU feel like. 10mm is MUCH more 'forgiving' than You are...just beat the recruiting drum and get the boys out! :)
It's "fora".
Hird?
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 16 January 2018, 01:08:41 AM
My first Pendraken Confederate Infantry got pale blue caps...
What's wrong with that?
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Confederate uniforms are characterized by being heterogeneous within the variety of grays, although there were units that also dressed with some more daring variation and many men with clothes brought from home in shades of gray to brown, that uniform I think is real, but not majority , if you want to paint some solddos that way is not wrong.
Quote from: fsn on 16 January 2018, 05:17:10 PM
What's wrong with that?
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It's wrong! ;)
Union / Federal kit was black, not white I'm afraid. the artist has made a mistake there. IIRC US Marines did have white straps - but wore frock coats, not the sack coat shown?
On the nail there doc. I doubt very much that particular Confederate uniform was in evidence after 1861. Try this Jesus:
www.adolphusconfederateuniforms.com
Click on the free article downloads. There are some very in-depth articles by very knowledgable Americans on the uniforms of their forbears. Try the three ACW Gamer articles and the one on Confederate drab.
The Confederate Infantry uniform in that plate was not in even in evidence in 1861. The troops turmed out in their local militia uniforms in 1861 and though one or two might have looked somewhat like this it certainly wasn't the standard. These artists interpretations are based on the regulations as laid down for Confederate uniforms but these were never followed. Officers uniforms being the exception though they, off course, also changed/added to their fancy. The frock coats worn in 1861/1862 were virtually all single breasted for example and facing colours, when applied, were normally done in black braid. The blue cuffs and collars were mainly seen on the shell jackets in the Western theatre somewhat after 1861.
Even the 'official' facing colours (light blue for infantry, yellow for cavalry and red for the artillery) were not always followed. The State of Mississippi for example used red very often as the preferred facing colour for her infantry uniforms. If you want to do it 'right' then you would have to be very specific about the unit, year and theatre you want to portray. In general you can say that the colour of the Confederate uniform changed from mid grey (wool) at the beginning of the war, through 'butternut' (greyish/brown/sand coloured jean cloth) from 1862 on, to a mix of butternut (locally made fabrics) and almost blue gray (a colour comparable to RAF uniforms) at the end of the war when many uniforms (jackets mainly) were imported from England and Ireland. After 1861 it would be relatively rare to see a uniform with both trousers and jackets made out of the same material/colour since trouwers will wear out much faster than jackets. Kepis were normally made out of left over fabric and remnants from worn out uniforms and would therefore roughly follow the same guidelines.
Leather changed from all black to a growing percentage of natural brown (especially in the West) as the war progressed but black remained the standard as it was throughout the war in the Union army.
In the end everything goes really (except for white leather after 1861... having said that; off-white cotton haversacks with straps and ditto canteen straps are certainly acceptable); it's just what you want to portray or what makes you happy.
Since I am 'somewhat' of an authenticity nerd on the ACW I am really struggling deciding what army/year/theatre I want to go for with my planned F&F army...
Cheers,
Rob
Whoops! ;) :)
Good input, chaps. I know that the illustration (Hamlyn Guide?) and figs that I liked were not accurate...just liked the look for 'A Unit' of early rebs. For the rest of my Confederacy, have gone for mix/match of greys with odd bits added. Union also have a little variation, though mainly in shade...and, of course, headgear. An important point is that the rolled item on top of pack 'should' be a rolled overcoat...similar to trouser colour, (though personally, I would use a slightly different shade...probably a little darker)...but blankets of various materials (I cannot bear to think of painting 'Ticking' or 'carpet' in 10mm!) would be fair. Straps and belts would, in the main be black, with brown leather...or rope...or whatever held things on...on occasion. MY Grandfather's farm coat (UK in the '60s) was an old wartime overcoat belted with twine. Canteen covers would also vary...depending on source...blueish, greys, olive or browns...for both sides! A bit of variety helps to pick out figures in 10mm units...or they tend to look a little 'blobby' at table distance.
Both sides had considerable variation in look between units at different periods in the war...just dig in to all the info out there if you want to go for specific campaigns.
One of the 'draws' to ACW is the 'relative' ease of painting lots of figures compared to the extremely fiddly Napoleonic uniforms. THEN, you find out! ;) :)
Come on old chap; if I can manage rolled carpet in 6mm with my shaky hands I'm sure 10mm must be a doddle.
Flags y finish
Wonderful 8)
Really good !
Cheers - Phil
Aww, what's the point [throws paints and brushes away] .....! ;D
Superb! :-bd
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
I'm with you Westie.
That's fantastic brushmanship.
Quote from: Westmarcher on 03 April 2018, 10:20:42 AM
Aww, what's the point [throws paints and brushes away] .....! ;D
Superb! :-bd
What he said :D
Dang it, the posting stripped my first comment! It was "I'd like to quote Westmarcher from another thread..."
Those flags look the dogs'. Excellent stuff.
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Please tell me those flags were painted before being put on the poles and bent in the wind
Definitely a download job, but I imagine they were resized before printing.
they are printed ;)
Top work
Really nice paint job
Orcs
very nice stuff. keep up the good work
Hello. Finish
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Very nicely put together, Jesus! Clearly a great deal of work and attention to detail went into this. :-bd
Jesus, that is really impressive.
Yep, pretty damned impressive.
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They look great
Take care
Andy
Outstanding.
Very fun :-bd
Excellent!