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Title: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Leon on 26 November 2017, 07:04:46 PM
All of the photos from our 2016 event can be seen on our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pg/BattlegroundShow/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1061388890670031 (https://www.facebook.com/pg/BattlegroundShow/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1061388890670031) and here's a selection as well:

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There are a load of pictures on these links as well:

Carryings On Up The Dale blog: http://www.carryingsonupthedale.com/2017/11/battleground-show-and-battle-of-seneffe.html
Ithoriel's photos: https://www.facebook.com/ithoriel/media_set?set=a.10155073607291398.1073741832.593771397&type=3
Never Mind the Jankers blog: http://nevermindthejankers.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-show-2017.html
Another Slight Diversion Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/AnotherSlightDiversion/posts/1856957640985005?pnref=story
Herkybird's blog: http://herkybird-richardbradley.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-2017.html
Renko's blog: https://twtrb.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-2017-pleasantly-surprised.html
Wargames in the Dungeon blog: http://wargamesinthedungeon.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-2017-report-attack-on.html
Mad Tin Hatter's blog: https://themadtinhatter.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/aar-battleground-wargames-show-battle.html?spref=fb
One Man and His Brushes blog: http://onemanhisbrushes.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/batteground-acw-game-and-stash.html
Zabadak's blog: https://zabadakszombieworld.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battlegorund-2017.html
Rubbsalot blog: http://rubbsalotsmancave.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-wargames-show-2017-stockton.html
Ilkley Old School blog: http://ilkleyoldschool.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-show.html
Independent Wargames Group blog: https://independentwargamesgroup.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-2017.html?
Exiled Fog blog: https://exiledfog.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Battleground%202017
Marching in Colour trader blog: http://marchingincolour.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-show-my-after-action-report.html
Hunwickian blog: http://slimreidy1.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/acw-demonstration-game-at-battleground.html


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: mad lemmey on 26 November 2017, 07:15:45 PM
Great stuff  8)


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: petercooman on 26 November 2017, 08:06:09 PM
Some nice stuff!

Especially the quatre bras one!


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: DFlynSqrl on 26 November 2017, 08:44:42 PM
Really nice looking games!


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Techno on 27 November 2017, 07:22:35 AM
WOW !!

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Leman on 27 November 2017, 07:58:54 AM
Some terrific looking games there.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Jim Ando on 27 November 2017, 09:19:26 AM
Hi

10mm Oudenarde game was stunning.

Jim.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Womble67 on 27 November 2017, 09:41:41 AM
Some stunning photos there

Take care

Andy


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: skywalker on 27 November 2017, 12:23:54 PM
It was a great show would love to have had time to have a better look at all the stunning games except that I ended spending most of the day running our club's  game (Redcar Ironbeards WW2 Part 2)


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: d_Guy on 27 November 2017, 02:24:30 PM
More pics! Thanks, Leon.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: RoyWilliamson on 27 November 2017, 04:24:10 PM
Leon, here's another blog report for your list

Zabadak's Zombie World: https://zabadakszombieworld.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battlegorund-2017.html (https://zabadakszombieworld.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battlegorund-2017.html)


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: RoyWilliamson on 27 November 2017, 04:36:28 PM
Pah! Out of the hundreds of photos displayed on the 'net, I was only shown in one. Looking through them, though, was a case of being able to put names to a lot of faces in the crowd. Not bad that, considering I used to go to shows, not speak to anyone and know no one either.

Cheers for collecting all the photo reports together, Leon  :-bd


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: ErHo on 27 November 2017, 04:54:47 PM
Livin the dream!  I hope everyone had a blast!


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Leon on 27 November 2017, 05:24:31 PM
Leon, here's another blog report for your list

Zabadak's Zombie World: https://zabadakszombieworld.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battlegorund-2017.html (https://zabadakszombieworld.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battlegorund-2017.html)

Cheers Roy, I'll get that one added.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: sunjester on 27 November 2017, 05:53:40 PM
Looks like a great show.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: RoyWilliamson on 28 November 2017, 08:39:02 AM
Here's two more blogs with show reports for people to enjoy:

The Independent Wargames Group: https://independentwargamesgroup.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-2017.html (https://independentwargamesgroup.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-2017.html)

Tales from the Man Cave: http://rubbsalotsmancave.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-wargames-show-2017-stockton.html (http://rubbsalotsmancave.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/battleground-wargames-show-2017-stockton.html)



Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Techno on 28 November 2017, 10:28:20 AM
Links to a couple of excellent reports there, Roy.

Good man !  :)

Thanks - Phil.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Ithoriel on 28 November 2017, 11:51:09 AM
The link to my pics is the one that only works if we are friends on FB!

This one works for anyone

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10155073607291398.1073741832.593771397&type=1&l=a5a6ad4cf0


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Techno on 28 November 2017, 01:49:23 PM
Nice ones. Mike.  :)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Westmarcher on 28 November 2017, 02:12:57 PM
Going by the comments in the various blogs, it looks like it was an absolutely, outstandingly well run and well received show!

Well done, Leon!  =D>

Well done also to all of the guys who got involved in its organisation and put on some great games.  :-bd

P.S. Just slightly confused, however.  :-[   I'm probably wrong here but I was under the impression that the sole organiser was Pendraken and so, when reading the reports of the show in the various blogs, assumed Pendraken's involvement would have been acknowledged more. Did I get that wrong?    :-/


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: RoyWilliamson on 28 November 2017, 03:48:17 PM
P.S. Just slightly confused, however.  :-[   I'm probably wrong here but I was under the impression that the sole organiser was Pendraken and so, when reading the reports of the show in the various blogs, assumed Pendraken's involvement would have been acknowledged more. Did I get that wrong?    :-/

Somebody probably needs to say who the Battleground Show organisers / team / helpers are, tbh. Then there would be no confusion.

In the past, a Middlesbrough gaming club helped out on the day of the event - at least I can remember people in a club t-shirt working the doors - so I never knew who to accredit praise to, so thanked the 'show organisers'.

This year, on both Friday and Saturday, I was only aware of Leon and family (plus another gentleman, who I don't know the connection of to familia Pengilley or Pendraken) doing all the hard work, so again I just thanked the 'show organisers'. Could be wrong though.

However, the ladies in the cafe also did a great job and are worthy of praise. Also the sports hall staff who helped out with keeping things clean and tidy, plus shifting equipment and furniture and giving directions when asked. So they are equally worthy of praise, and can be  / should be included in the 'show staff' imo.

Another point could be that most show-goers don't actually know who organises the event. Probably aren't 10mm gamers and aren't familiar with Pendraken as a company. So just don't know of any connection - I can't remember if it's advertised as being brought to you by Pendraken Miniatures / Minibits (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/Smileys/SoLoSMiLeYS1/undecided.gif) - so that could be another reason why people just thank a collective show organising group.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Leon on 28 November 2017, 04:08:56 PM
We've got the Pendraken logo on all of the show signage and flyers etc so hopefully people make the connection!

As far as the team goes:

Me - I take care of the bulk of it, sorting the traders and games, dealing with the venue and table company, etc.  The other folks come in when it's time for the event itself:
Adele - My wife, was there on Friday to setup and Saturday working the show stand.
Dave - Pendraken Dave, was there on Friday to setup and Saturday working the show stand.
Stewart - Pendraken person who casts for us, helped with setup and close down and also worked the tabletop sale for us this year.
Jess - Pendraken person who does our packaging and other jobs, manned the door for most of the day and helped with close down.
Rachel - Pendraken person, works with Minibits doing laser machine and bases, was on the Pendraken stand most of the day and helped with close down.
Ian - Pendraken person and Eagle Figures, helped with setup on the Friday.


When we took over the show 5 years ago the Middlesbrough Gamers Club agreed to help out and run the Tabletop Sale, and for the first couple of years they had helpers there who we paid for their time.  The past few years they didn't have as many volunteers, just the Chairman really.  This year with the free entry we needed to maximise the income from the event so we ran the tabletop sale ourselves instead.

Then as Roy says there's a handful of venue staff who we get in to help with the tables, plus the cafe staff as well.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: paulr on 28 November 2017, 06:30:06 PM
At one of our local shows (one of two) the organisers all wear pink t-shirts with organiser written on the front and back, makes spotting an them very easy ;)

Perhaps Pendraken should do something similar with the Pendraken logo as well


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: fred. on 28 November 2017, 06:51:13 PM
At one of our local shows (one of two) the organisers all wear pink t-shirts with organiser written on the front and back, makes spotting an them very easy ;)

That's Leon's normal outfit though...


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: fred. on 28 November 2017, 06:54:54 PM
We've got the Pendraken logo on all of the show signage and flyers etc so hopefully people make the connection!

As far as the team goes:

Me - I take care of the bulk of it, sorting the traders and games, dealing with the venue and table company, etc.  The other folks come in when it's time for the event itself:
Adele - My wife, was there on Friday to setup and Saturday working the show stand.
Dave - Pendraken Dave, was there on Friday to setup and Saturday working the show stand.
Stewart - Pendraken person who casts for us, helped with setup and close down and also worked the tabletop sale for us this year.
Jess - Pendraken person who does our packaging and other jobs, manned the door for most of the day and helped with close down.
Rachel - Pendraken person, works with Minibits doing laser machine and bases, was on the Pendraken stand most of the day and helped with close down.
Ian - Pendraken person and Eagle Figures, helped with setup on the Friday.


If Pendraken are committing that level of people to the show - which is pretty significant from a salary perspective. You really need to make sure you are covering those costs within the show.

In the other thread you mentioned that you are hoping for extra sales, and helping NE gaming. Don't forget to ensure that your own costs are covered too. Its good to help the local gaming scene, but there is helping and there is helping.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: RoyWilliamson on 28 November 2017, 07:55:47 PM
We've got the Pendraken logo on all of the show signage and flyers etc so hopefully people make the connection!

 ;D I just don't look, that's my problem.

Once walked into a practical examination for Arts, completely oblivious to the huge signs and cordon telling people not to enter. I got such a look from the teacher, who just couldn't believe somebody could be so blind to what was right in front of their face. Doh!  :-[


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Leon on 28 November 2017, 09:40:26 PM
If Pendraken are committing that level of people to the show - which is pretty significant from a salary perspective. You really need to make sure you are covering those costs within the show.

In the other thread you mentioned that you are hoping for extra sales, and helping NE gaming. Don't forget to ensure that your own costs are covered too. Its good to help the local gaming scene, but there is helping and there is helping.

The staff who help us out are covered in the show costings, it wouldn't be fair to expect them to give up their time for the event.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: fred. on 28 November 2017, 10:12:35 PM
I had assumed they were being paid! But glad to here it is from the show's costs not Pendraken's pockets.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Leon on 28 November 2017, 11:29:23 PM
I had assumed they were being paid! But glad to here it is from the show's costs not Pendraken's pockets.

 :D


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Westmarcher on 29 November 2017, 11:32:37 AM
We've got the Pendraken logo on all of the show signage and flyers etc so hopefully people make the connection!

There may be more but I could only find three mentions from the blog links above:

"Leon of Pendraken Games took over the running of the show . I thought the lad couldn't get it any better, given there is only him and a bit of help I assume from a small group of friends.

"I was pleasantly surprised. The venue and organisation are excellent - due no doubt to the diligence and hard work of Leon Pengilly (from Pendraken/Minibits) who does the organising and associated donkey work that goes on behind the scenes So well done to Leon and his team.

"Firstly we must say a real well done to Leon and the team at Pendraken for all the hard work put into making this a great event."

As you can see, only the last one made a specific connection with Pendraken as the business entity that organised the event. The first one connects the event to Leon of Pendraken and some pals, the second non-specific as to who made up "his team" (which could be interpretated as Leon doing this in his spare time?). With no-one else mentioning the Pendraken connection, this seems a shame considering the marketing kudos Pendraken as a business could and should have received for running this event.

Whilst the Pendraken logo on the signs for the demo games was a good idea, it looked a tad discreet (so discreet could some people have thought Pendraken only sponsored the signs?). Bottom line is, if running this next year, Leon, I urge you to blow Pendraken's trumpet more(!) and make sure your business gets more credit for such a successful and clearly enjoyable event. How you actually go about this, I leave to you. Personally, I wouldn't go as far as advertising next year's as, say, "Pendraken's Battleground" in line with the branding  of famous sporting competitions (might that lead people to believe it is solely a 10mm event? - I don''t know. Maybe not)). However, once the punters get in the door, I think you should do more to ensure the name, Pendraken Miniatures, is in their faces - so much that they leave the show with no doubt (including Williamson  :P ) about who organised and sponsored it. 

Once again, well done. Wish I could have been there.

A last quote on a demo game run by one of the above bloggers;

"The scale of the figures got a lot of comments as well, I think people were impressed by the mass effect of the 10mm."

 :-bd


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: fred. on 29 November 2017, 11:45:34 AM
Well said.

Kallistra have managed to link their name to Hammerhead show pretty effectively I think.

I really must try and get across next year.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: RoyWilliamson on 29 November 2017, 03:46:49 PM
I think you should do more to ensure the name, Pendraken Miniatures, is in their faces - so much that they leave the show with no doubt (including Williamson  :P ) about who organised and sponsored it.  

 ;D

In my defence, I was just too lazy to look. I knew who organised it, ran it, funded it (didn't know who was helping out on the day, though), and I can generally recognise the people putting on the games from either their faces, or the game itself, so don't look at the show banners / show pamphlets / game signs. Too much of a casual attitude due to familiarity to the event, obviously. Packing up on Saturday night, I did spot a "Minibits" logo on the bottom of a Show Banner outside the front door, so I can't be that unobservant  :-B :P

I did forget to do a couple of things though.

1/ donate some money to the SSAFA charity, since I didn't pay to get in.  :(   [I was only standing next to their stand for the majority of the day, so I really do need to look at myself!]

2/ make a statement on my blog post about where the credit for the show should be directed / thank Pendraken - Minibits for the show.


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: Leon on 29 November 2017, 05:24:26 PM
Whilst the Pendraken logo on the signs for the demo games was a good idea, it looked a tad discreet (so discreet could some people have thought Pendraken only sponsored the signs?). Bottom line is, if running this next year, Leon, I urge you to blow Pendraken's trumpet more(!) and make sure your business gets more credit for such a successful and clearly enjoyable event. How you actually go about this, I leave to you. Personally, I wouldn't go as far as advertising next year's as, say, "Pendraken's Battleground" in line with the branding  of famous sporting competitions (might that lead people to believe it is solely a 10mm event? - I don''t know. Maybe not)). However, once the punters get in the door, I think you should do more to ensure the name, Pendraken Miniatures, is in their faces - so much that they leave the show with no doubt (including Williamson  :P ) about who organised and sponsored it.

I'll have a look and see what we can do next year. 

I think I've always been wary of plastering ourselves all over the event too much, as I don't want people thinking we're running it just for our own benefit.  We took over the show as MGC didn't have anyone to run it anymore, so it likely would have ended if we'd not stepped in.  We took it on so that the area had a proper show at the end of the year, as it has done for 30 years or more, so it was about keeping it going and building it up, not really an advertising vehicle for the business. 


Title: Re: Battleground Photos!
Post by: mollinary on 29 November 2017, 07:19:51 PM
I'll have a look and see what we can do next year. 

I think I've always been wary of plastering ourselves all over the event too much, as I don't want people thinking we're running it just for our own benefit.  We took over the show as MGC didn't have anyone to run it anymore, so it likely would have ended if we'd not stepped in.  We took it on so that the area had a proper show at the end of the year, as it has done for 30 years or more, so it was about keeping it going and building it up, not really an advertising vehicle for the business. 

Nothing more to say  =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>