At last! The Pendraken Head Shed has ordered sculpts of the most elite unit to serve in Korea. Clue - their lids were green.
41 Royal Marine Commando - rushed out in civvies with only their berets and ...attitude.
Its a chance for some unique sculpts of the Royals in US combat dress/weapons with the beret.
Sculpts with the widest possible proxy potential.
There is one of a R/0 - radio on back, ear piece in a stooped position - like you do - as his mate plants a demo charge on a railway - can we source it ?
Its a tribute to all who ever youmped a Clansman :'(
I have a neat one of a .30 Browning being fired from the waist. :-bd
Also a couple of very senior marines - sort that would proxy for any NATO/Falklands command stand - berets, .45/9mm on web belt, binoculars lowered , giving ..."ORDERS" and that canny figure checking watch as he raises his hand for ....the bombardment ? the off?
the ambush ?
I am minded to advise Techno to go heavy on the Grease guns - in relation to the M1 Garand - what's the view by those who will purchase ?
What sculpts would you click on paypal for ????
With US kit and berets would these be suitable for the French Battalion?
Quote from: lowlylowlycook on 01 August 2017, 03:11:06 PM
With US kit and berets would these be suitable for the French Battalion?
With the detail that Phil creates - the answer is sadly no.
We Brits and assorted allies wear the beret with badge prominent to Left of the forehead and a Right hand pull . The French do the opposite. As berets have shrunk since WW2, this pull has got more accentuated, and the badge has slipped from "over the left eye", to somewhere near the left ear on British elite units.
Stick with the Royals- there's a good lad. Only a bunch of posers wear white scarfs in a killing ground.
(http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/koreanwar_06_23/k37_10413189.jpg)
This one?
Some good stuff here Techno - not much RM, but lots of photos.
http://archive.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/remembering_the_korean_war_60.html (http://archive.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/remembering_the_korean_war_60.html)
(http://c7.alamy.com/comp/CENG7R/royal-marine-commando-in-action-in-the-korean-war-armed-with-an-american-CENG7R.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/eb/0f/84eb0f11a3d9684a75cbc9f4cf7809bd--royal-marines-commando-marine-commandos.jpg)
Excellent, Nobby ! :-bd......That's a huge help.....Many thanks, Matey. :)
Just so's I get 'it right'.......Should I do them with 'mid' length or normal 'short' boots ? (Definitely not 'long' boots.)
I'm probably not seeing the pics right. It's probably the socks that are giving me the impression that the boots are longer than they really are, in one particular piccy ? (The chap on the left of the photo where I presume they're sabotaging the railway line.)
Cheers - Phil (Black thumbnail) L ......... I just got bitten by a rat-trap....I said very naughty words ! >:( >:( >:(
Look like gaiters to me?
See the photo of the solo marine. One boot with sock and trousers stuffed into it, the other trouser leg free. That's how they all appeared in Korea - it was a field sign so they could be easily recognised. Either that or they were half hearted Masons. :^o
(http://c7.alamy.com/comp/CENG7G/royal-marine-commando-machine-gun-team-in-action-in-the-korean-war-CENG7G.jpg)
Royal Marine Commando George Barnes on the USS Horace A. Bass (APD-124), a US Navy destroyer, before a raid into North Korea, 1951
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*wW7O67_ouLmSbFmzgdD8Sg.jpeg)
https://miniaturasmilitaresalfonscanovas.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/uniformes-militares-de-gran-bretana1950.html?m=1 (https://miniaturasmilitaresalfonscanovas.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/uniformes-militares-de-gran-bretana1950.html?m=1)
Another gratuitous Centurion shot
(http://img.bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/data/10044/upfile/200911/20091128163407.jpg)
Where was it shot?
(https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/9s287cc7swuar6z/images/2-1acd95999b.jpg)
(https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/9s287cc7swuar6z/images/5-461014db32.jpg)
(http://www.onesixthwarriors.com/photo/data/513/medium/RM_Cdos_Korea_1.jpg)
Some great images ! Thank you gentlemen- even proof that 41 used the BAR ! - it was not popular compared to the Bren.
Boots. The Royals have always been sensible about boots- except were a formal No1 or 2 dress parade was concerned.
In combat, you see an individual choice that is good for the conditions. The Royal prepping the bomb appears to be in climbing boots.
For the rest, the ammo boot was mixed with the popular US pattern that had ankle buckles (they could be mistaken for gaiters ) and had a suede version. South Africa copied this ankle buckle style post war. They were issue in Rhodesia.
Cap comforters
(http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/8/7977/63051.jpg)
(https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1468260/korean-war-british-troops.jpg?w=736)
Men of the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders take cover as they advance into the town of Chonju on the British front in North Korea during the Korean War
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ac/2b/9f/ac2b9fda3d6ab621882426e1b45bc85f.jpg)(http://img.src.ca/2016/04/22/635x357/160422_ag8ok_rci-m-trrrops_sn635.jpg)
(http://tce-live2.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/media/cache/media/a3f7743b-991b-461e-a5e9-765e60a25c37_fit_500_x.jpg)(http://img.webme.com/pic/c/canadianmilitary/koreaninfantryman.jpg)
Canadians - looks as the Canucks wore them slightly differently. Is this a different form of headgear? More like a US watchcap?
(http://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/34/558/mid_000000.jpg)
OK, Cyprus, 1963 - but a good photo
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Men_of_the_1st_Battalion%2C_The_Duke_of_Wellington%27s_Regiment%2C_have_a_smoke_while_waiting_for_dusk_to_fall_before_joining_a_patrol_into_no-man%27s_land_at_The_Hook.jpg)
Duke of Wellington's Rgt at the Hook
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c9/06/00/c90600c4f8e3e6f846355b88d0402a10.jpg)(http://www.iwm.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/article_main_breakpoints_theme_iwm_responsive_desktop_1x/public/iwm_solr_field/large/%C2%A9%20IWM%20%28MH%2032837%29.jpg?itok=cwuLRjo4×tamp=1479377435)
Worn in a variety of ways
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-18/australian-troops-korean-war/6787638)
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205191765 (http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205191765)
Australians
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205191005 (http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205191005)
Chap on the right
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6c/37/56/6c3756bdd887ecd28745c4602eb864d9.jpg) My mistake ... it's a beret :D
IMHO the Cyprus/Duke of Wellington's rather more formal manner is what I'd like to see. However, the rather more irregular mode may well fit in for other, less stylish forces.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/88/13/3c/88133c8c712ca7a3413b5f0b61ce0da6.jpg)
More Canadians
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d5/65/f3/d565f316b284e43f5e746c4d9d7349cb.jpg)
Australians?
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c0/d4/4d/c0d44dba897d16993f8a22936cd41a9d.jpg)
??? Perhaps the beer cans explain this photo.
(http://www.endicotts.co.uk/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/Belgian%20Cap%20Comforter%20Wool.jpg?itok=lyIxK7CV) Belgian ... but even Techno couldn't differentiate in 10mm
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSm2FPJ5YEjsojP20HqKEf8WDryDds7r4UqCJdKypj1gLiONMf5) Royal Marines
https://www.militarytour.com/british-wwii-cap-comforter.html (https://www.militarytour.com/british-wwii-cap-comforter.html)
Wartime British commandos used it in place of noisy helmets. This is, in fact, a scarf made from a 'tube' of knitted wool, sewn at both ends.
By pushing one end through the tube to the other end a long cap is made. Rolling up the open end produces a "cap". The first of these multipurpose items appears to have been issued in 1900, although it may go much further back. The idea was to provide some warmth under the steel helmet of 1916 or perhaps even earlier.
The tactical rule is "what's incoming ??" - If no HE, artillery or mortars, and you need to be warm & alert, then a cap/hat/beret is better than a helmet - but if shrapnel starts flying, then its back to the steel lids.
(http://www.vintage-airfix.com/images/PICT0164a.JPG)
(http://www.miniatures.de/britain/airfix-51554-british-commandos-officer.jpg)
Caught up with this chap ...
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c0/d4/4d/c0d44dba897d16993f8a22936cd41a9d.jpg)
Still got it!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4344/36500727432_a4fb0d5fc2_z.jpg)
I know you'd posted some piccies, before I spoke to this afto', Nobby....(Thanks, Matey)
.....But had you posted the last pic, by then ?....You utter OIK !!
Just remember....... Leon and I have both downloaded your faceache photo.....I'm saving that. :P
Cheers - Phil
:D You oiked me! :D
Found the photo on an old thread. Couldn't resist.
Coming late to this thread, there are some puttees in the picture mix as well. I can personally testify that puttees were still being worn on operations as late as 1998 in Bosnia.
Quote from: fsn on 19 August 2017, 02:39:36 PM
(http://www.vintage-airfix.com/images/PICT0164a.JPG)
(http://www.miniatures.de/britain/airfix-51554-british-commandos-officer.jpg)
Assailing Dover, are they?
Obviously not....I can't see a single bluebird. ;)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: holdfast on 19 August 2017, 10:10:17 PM
Coming late to this thread, there are some puttees in the picture mix as well. I can personally testify that puttees were still being worn on operations as late as 1998 in Bosnia.
As one who wore them, I can confirm that gaiters were the issue post WW2/Korea. The wrap round puttee came in late 1960s/early 70s. Both worn with first the "Ammo" and then the DMS boot. The pussers (RN) still worn a high gaiter with 4 straps until quite recently. I can recall Rifle regiments and TA/Cadets soldiering on with black gaiters.
The puttee remained as dress requirement when the short ankle (DMS) boot was worn. In Operation Banner the unofficial Doc Martin was adopted as early as 1976.(by the Royals - who else!)
The Falklands was the swansong of the DMS (apart from No2 on parades). As a point of interest I would like to know which unit was still wearing them with putties in Bosnia ? Mind you I saw an OC of 1 Royal Welch in Gorazde (95??) wearing Barbour gortex gaiters which were popular in that era. It was not a theatre where RSMs would enforce dress bull and slack order could be good for morale.
I'm not re-doing them, now ! :P ;)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 20 August 2017, 07:47:37 AM
Obviously not....I can't see a single bluebird. ;)
Cheers - Phil
Not surprising, does is native to North America.
I was certainly issued gaiters, in raw canvass, blacked with good old Kiwi. Bought me own puttees, and 58 pattern webbing, issue was 38.
IanS
British Army - winning battles with 40 year kit since 55BC!
On a forward slope, in the rain at point where two maps join. (FM Slim)
As a point of interest I would like to know which unit was still wearing them with putties in Bosnia ?
There were some rogue elements in HQ SFOR who wore them. Mollinary was there and can confirm!
Putties in Bosnia!! Was that the 1798 campaign with Tricorns and smootbores?
BTW when are 41 Commando going to be ready? Me want.
Quote from: holdfast on 20 August 2017, 06:57:47 PM
As a point of interest I would like to know which unit was still wearing them with putties in Bosnia ?
There were some rogue elements in HQ SFOR who wore them. Mollinary was there and can confirm!
Makes sense, they had a fiercely guarded reputation for not getting out much.
Quote from: Dave Fielder on 24 August 2017, 03:35:41 PM
BTW when are 41 Commando going to be ready? Me want.
Patience. Pendraken have outsourced the making of the Royals to a place called Lympstone. I have instructed Leon to add some genuine mud from the River Ex - plus blood swat and tears gleaned from the Bottom Field (Google it you maggots) into the mould.
In the Royals they call it the "Ex Factor" 8)
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2013/october/10/131010-us-marine-tackle-bottom-field (http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2013/october/10/131010-us-marine-tackle-bottom-field)
Sorry Bigjackmac, couldn't resist ;)
Ah, the smell of the River Exe mud ... it keeps my skin young looking.
Quote from: Dave Fielder on 02 December 2017, 11:08:10 PM
Ah, the smell of the River Exe mud ... it keeps my skin young looking.
Yeah - they called it the Exe Factor :)
Oh deary me Sunray!
Recorded a PBS 2 part documentary on the Battle of Choisin last night. Started watching it today and so far loads of great footage; Marines in winter gear with camo helmets and rucksack covers, as well as Marines looking as if they'd just landed on a Japanese held island in WWII.
Quote from: Steve J on 03 December 2017, 04:31:00 PM
Oh deary me Sunray!
Recorded a PBS 2 part documentary on the Battle of Choisin last night. Started watching it today and so far loads of great footage; Marines in winter gear with camo helmets and rucksack covers, as well as Marines looking as if they'd just landed on a Japanese held island in WWII.
Interesting. I served with some "old hands" who had been in Korea Nov 1950 when the Artic conditions began. Caught out the temperate clad UN forces.
Hungham was the American version of Dunkirk. Might well offer scenarios that transfer well to table top ?
We need a dedicated set of BKC sub rules for Korea.
Interesting. My late father in law was one of the Frozen Chosin veterans. He took a mg burst across the legs, invalided out at the tender age of nineteen. 😞
Swing the lamp and pull up a sand bag!
Quote from: fsn on 01 August 2017, 05:56:53 PM
(http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/koreanwar_06_23/k37_10413189.jpg)
This one?
Techno/Phil
This is the action pose of a 41 Commando R/O I was talking to you and Leon about. Korea apart, years and years of Proxy applications for early NATO types and Third World.
I have sent you the image of the Browning .30 being waist fired RAMBO style.
Cheers
James
Ta James.
Cheers - Phil
I have just noticed the Colt holster- Hadn't appreciated that even small arms like the .45 Colt 1911 was the full American deal for 41 Commando.
The only British kit they had was their Green Berets.
Quote from: fsn on 01 August 2017, 05:56:53 PM
(http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/koreanwar_06_23/k37_10413189.jpg)
This one?
The only kit they need is the Commando Green Beret ...
????
(http://www.homotrophy.com/images/2012/img/gocommando-2013-calendar-0.jpg)
=)
Dearie, dearie me. X_X
Cheers - Phil ;)