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Title: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: Nosher on 14 December 2016, 06:17:53 PM
I recently sold on all of my medieval armies in a big cull of streamlining my current projects but can see myself doing ancients for Warband given the unit sizing and basing I have used for the original version.

How far off is the Historical Version?


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: Chieftain on 15 December 2016, 09:38:07 AM
Difficult to say Nosher,

Its in development at the moment, and aside from testing the rules tweaks, there's a lot of design decision work to be done in terms of form, format, content, what to include, etc.

I'd like to say "some time in 2017".

If the playtesting results so far are accurate, i can say "its worth waiting for"!

:)


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: AndyT on 20 January 2017, 07:49:52 PM
Is it possible to say roughly what army lists might be available in the historical rulebook?


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: jambo1 on 21 January 2017, 09:41:43 AM
When this comes out I can see it being my first venture into Ancient wargaming. :)


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: AndyT on 21 January 2017, 09:47:40 AM
I know Pendraken will use this as a means of selling their Ancient figure ranges, and rightly so, but I think the way to make this an even more widely used set of rules will be to try and attract old Warmaster Ancients players so the sooner it has a wide range of army lists available, the better.


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: Chieftain on 21 January 2017, 09:55:12 AM
Is it possible to say roughly what army lists might be available in the historical rulebook?


What would you like to see?


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: AndyT on 21 January 2017, 10:43:34 AM
Well "Ancients" suggests a very wide range of choices but for me personally I would like to see a variety of Roman army list and their associated enemies plus Macedonian and successor pike-based armies and all the "barbarian" foes they would have come across.


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: Chieftain on 21 January 2017, 11:11:25 AM
So if the first set of lists were "Rome 700BC-450AD and all Rome's enemies and allies", that would be a good start?


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: AndyT on 21 January 2017, 11:48:20 AM
Good for me, yep  :)


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: ianrs54 on 21 January 2017, 12:22:39 PM
Na - got to have classical stuff.....

IanS


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: Ithoriel on 21 January 2017, 02:10:11 PM
"Military History: The First 50% (3000BC to 500BC)" would do it for me. Then Pendraken could release lots of lovely Bronze Age and Early Iron Age chariot armies and I'd be like a pig in clover! :)


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: Bodvoc on 21 January 2017, 03:44:12 PM
Chariot age seconded :)


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: fsn on 21 January 2017, 05:50:01 PM
Not to drop a large bluebottle into that particular unguent, but shouldn't Pendraken be offering chariot armies before writing rules for them?

On the same basis, I vote "Amazons". 


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: Leon on 21 January 2017, 09:09:18 PM
There's no way we'd be able to expand our Ancients ranges sufficiently before a historical version of Warband comes along, so it wouldn't be tied to our products as much as regular Warband is.  Better to include as many army lists as folks want and then we can work on adding to our ranges in the future.


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: paulr on 21 January 2017, 11:12:42 PM
There are over 300 Army lists in DBA 3.0, many with sub-options :-$


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: Sandinista on 21 January 2017, 11:59:13 PM
The "ancients" period could cover over 4000 years, that would be a lot of lists to keep everyone happy. I think a few core examples and a section on how to convert DBA/FoG etc. lists might be more useful.

cheers
Ian


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: Fenton on 22 January 2017, 12:01:01 AM
The "ancients" period could cover over 4000 years, that would be a lot of lists to keep everyone happy. I think a few core examples and a section on how to convert DBA/FoG etc. lists might be more useful.

cheers
Ian

Basic Impetus 2 has about 430 army lists


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: AndyT on 22 January 2017, 12:08:32 AM
Warmaster Ancients managed with only about 40 army lists.


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: Elliesdad on 22 January 2017, 12:45:45 PM
Triumph! has 646 army lists.
Where to start...? where to start...?

Geoff


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: fred. on 22 January 2017, 01:26:18 PM
I guess with ancients you can provide a list of basic troop types, that tend to be the make up of many different armies.

Then you can provide a sensible set of starting lists.

Between these two it should be fairly easy for people to then come up with variant lists.


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: notmatthew on 13 March 2017, 04:09:49 PM
I have a bunch of 10mm historicals looking me in the face waiting for their bases.  Is there a playtest document or any more info about basing for historical warband?  I'd love to finish my republican Romans!
Matt


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: Chieftain on 13 March 2017, 06:04:38 PM
I have a bunch of 10mm historicals looking me in the face waiting for their bases.  Is there a playtest document or any more info about basing for historical warband?  I'd love to finish my republican Romans!
Matt

Hi Matt, what basing would you prefer, 100x50mm (as for Warband Fantasy), or 80x40mm (to fit in with the dominant DBx basing conventions)?


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: mad lemmey on 13 March 2017, 06:14:49 PM
FogAM bases in multiples of 40mm frontage by 20mm for infantry and 40x30 for cav (in even numbers)...


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: fred. on 13 March 2017, 06:23:26 PM
As Warband is a base width set of rules, does it matter too much what the 'standard' size is.

I found that wth Warmaster based figures on 40x20mm bases they looked good on the sabot bases.

With the FoGAM basing due to the different depths you would want some kind of sabot. And if the sabot is the same width as the basing then you end up with sabots that are bigger. You may as well start with a slightly bigger size.

Also using 10cm for BW makes measuring easy!


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: AndyT on 13 March 2017, 07:04:45 PM
After initially being a bit concerned about the Warband 100x50 basing convention I am now a big fan of it and love the opportunity to decorate the bases much more than the usual 40mm base would allow. The current range of Pendraken sabot bases work well for existing Warmaster armies and Leon is also happy to make custom ones.


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: d_Guy on 13 March 2017, 08:51:35 PM
On the same basis, I vote "Amazons". 

I realize that you meant to say "Aztecs" and greatly appreciate the support.


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: fsn on 14 March 2017, 07:23:17 AM
No, definitely not. I'd rather have kick-ass warrior women in bronze armour than Mexicans in pyjamas and feathers.  :P


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: FierceKitty on 14 March 2017, 09:10:06 AM
I realize that you meant to say "Aztecs" and greatly appreciate the support.

Thank goodness there are some who have an interest in history rather than Xena and the Lost City of Tarzan's Granny.


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: ianrs54 on 14 March 2017, 09:55:49 AM
Thank goodness there are some who have an interest in history rather than Xena and the Lost City of Tarzan's Granny.

Thought that was the Aztecs, and Incas as well. Where is El Dorado ?


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: d_Guy on 14 March 2017, 02:05:55 PM
Where is El Dorado ?

At one time it was parked in my neighbor's driveway!  :D


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: notmatthew on 14 March 2017, 07:48:17 PM
Hi Matt, what basing would you prefer, 100x50mm (as for Warband Fantasy), or 80x40mm (to fit in with the dominant DBx basing conventions)?

That's a tough call.  I'm trying to base in a way that looks good, is easy to store, is moderately figure efficient, and will allow for a wide variety of games from Hail Caesar, to Kings of War Historical, to Warband.  It would be nice enough if I could also play Warmaster, but I have met zero warmaster players in the past 5 years so that's not exactly a priority.

I have done a few units so far from my napoleonics and opted for 40x20.  I really love how they look all packed together, but I have found that 24 models in two or three ranks looks pretty stellar on a 80x40 base (and would look passable on a 100x50 as well). 

If this game set required 100x50 I would most likely mount everything on 40x40's and put two 40x40's of 10-12 models each into a warband sabot.

I was recently looking at the Austrians posted in this forum for C&C and I was thinking of the same look but cutting down the models per rank to fit the planned dimensions. 

This basing style also makes room for a dice holder for every 40x40 element which is essential for games like Warband (as far as I can tell...I don't have the rules), KoW, and C&C.



Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: notmatthew on 14 March 2017, 07:49:47 PM
To clarify on storage:
It's my impression that 40x20 basing requires foam or magnets to be safe whereas the 40x40 or larger are safe enough to just lie flat in a box for a car ride.


Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: ronan on 16 March 2017, 06:25:32 PM
(...) to just lie flat in a box for a car ride.

You didn't see me driving !   ;D



Title: Re: Warband Historical - how far off?
Post by: AndyT on 20 May 2017, 10:39:43 AM
I would love to see "Warband Historical" (or whatever it might end up being called) become reality but I wonder whether the recent difficulties with BKC3 might make publishing any other Pendraken rules less likely? I hope not.