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Title: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Nosher on 15 May 2016, 04:08:09 PM
I know other MDF base suppliers do such items but frankly I've been left disappointed at their quallity.

Is there any chance of rectangular 2mm MDF movement sabots with circular slots for 2mm mdf bases in one penny piece diameters such as the below:



Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Wulf on 16 May 2016, 11:19:11 AM
I use 10mm washers as bases... just saying...  :-[


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Leon on 17 May 2016, 01:54:47 AM
That's no bother at all, if you can you drop me an email with the external dimensions and how many you want, and we'll get those sorted out for you.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: d_Guy on 17 May 2016, 04:06:43 AM
Leon,
Out of curiosity are you interested in doing even more customized sabots? Specifically various curvilinear shapes with a varying number of holes. Not sure that I could buy enough to make it worth your while (unless your laser set-up cost is trivial  :))


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Leon on 17 May 2016, 07:17:36 PM
Out of curiosity are you interested in doing even more customized sabots? Specifically various curvilinear shapes with a varying number of holes. Not sure that I could buy enough to make it worth your while (unless your laser set-up cost is trivial  :))

We do want to start producing a whole range of movement trays, it's just finding the time to sit and design them all.  Our software is slightly limited though in that it only really does polygons and circles, so anything irregular for skirmish troops is difficult to do.  We were looking for a designer for lasercutting earlier this year, to make everything easier, but didn't have any luck finding anyone.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: d_Guy on 17 May 2016, 07:47:16 PM
Thanks Leon - this is a down-the-road project for me so you may actually be producing them by then :)
I will being using US pennies for bases but it sounds like cutting a smaller diameter is no problem for you.

Another question for anyone. Since the 2mm MDF is cut all the way through (I assume), is a thin veneer then added to one side to make the tray bottom?


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Leon on 17 May 2016, 08:11:26 PM
Another question for anyone. Since the 2mm MDF is cut all the way through (I assume), is a thin veneer then added to one side to make the tray bottom?

The trays are usually 2 sheets of MDF, so they are 4mm high overall.  The top sheet has the cutouts, the bottom sheet is solid.  I think some companies offer a bottom sheet in a thinner plywood, but those tend to be more expensive and then don't match with other companies trays heightwise.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Genom on 18 May 2016, 07:16:10 AM
I'm sure I've seen someone offering just the top layer as well, so that you can stick it onto magnetic sheet/steel sheet etc.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: fred. on 18 May 2016, 07:52:38 AM
Yes, I've seen those too. Though the overall base may be rather flimsy. With a solid 2mm base the figures really stay in place, when you pick up the tray.

I was initially a bit worried about the total thickness, but once you are playing you don't notice.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Wulf on 18 May 2016, 08:56:27 AM
What quantities would PD be willing to produce custom sabot bases in? I'd be looking for bases with 8 & 10 10mm diameter holes (in 2 rows), but I'd only need a couple of dozen of each, maximum (and with no 'blank' baseplate, a 4mm base is too thick for my liking).

I was going to produce my own with holes punched in cardboard...


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Wulf on 18 May 2016, 03:03:08 PM
What quantities would PD be willing to produce custom sabot bases in?
Just realised which forum this is on...

What quantities would MINIBITS be willing to produce custom sabot bases in?  =)


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: d_Guy on 18 May 2016, 03:25:59 PM
Just realised which forum this is on...

What quantities would MINIBITS be willing to produce custom sabot bases in?  =)
;D well done!


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Leon on 18 May 2016, 06:38:24 PM
What quantities would MINIBITS be willing to produce custom sabot bases in?  =)

Minimum order of 1 please!  We do custom trays quite regularly for various customers, so just drop me an email with your requirements and we'll get them sorted out for you.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Wulf on 18 May 2016, 09:59:58 PM
Minimum order of 1 please! 
But I only want the top half!  :'(

OK, will consider exactly what I'm looking for & order. Unlike many, I haven't fully digested SP2 yet, so I'm not certain...


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Leon on 18 May 2016, 10:48:26 PM
But I only want the top half!  :'(

OK, will consider exactly what I'm looking for & order. Unlike many, I haven't fully digested SP2 yet, so I'm not certain...

No worries, and just the top half is not a problem.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: fred. on 18 May 2016, 10:55:14 PM
Leon made me some sabots with 1p and 2p holes to convert various command figures to command bases for Warband. Very straight forward, and the end result looks good.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Wulf on 19 May 2016, 11:40:46 PM
How much of a gap do you recommend between holes, at a minimum? I'm trying to decide whether to have two rows 'square' (as illustrated in the first post), or 'zig-zag' staggered so the back row doesn't stick their bayonets in the front row's earholes...

I'll be looking for a couple dozen with 6 12mm holes in to rows of 3, and a couple dozen with 8 holes in two rows of 4, either way...

I thought these washers were 10mm diameter, they're not, they're 12mm...


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Leon on 19 May 2016, 11:44:56 PM
How much of a gap do you recommend between holes, at a minimum? I'm trying to decide whether to have two rows 'square' (as illustrated in the first post), or 'zig-zag' staggered so the back row doesn't stick their bayonets in the front row's earholes...

For circles, you can get away with as little as 0.5-1mm as the shapes curve away from each other and there's not much stress on the closest point.  With squares, you want a little more, so 2mm or above to give some strength to that strip of MDF. 

An alternative is to remove the dividing strip altogether, so for your first base, you'd have a hole of 36mm x 12mm to allow 3 bases to sit in it.  This option depends on how you want them to look, close ranked or spread out?


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: bradpitre on 20 May 2016, 06:52:00 PM
Good evening!!
I would be very interested in a series of stand for "Blücher" (perhaps 60)
the ideal would be 64mm front x 50mm deep with a reservation of 60mm x 40mm in 2mm forward and two cuts of 5mm x 5mm at the rear to place the loss dice ........ Does this seem possible?
no solid basis, I prefer to find more ending

éric


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Leon on 20 May 2016, 07:07:59 PM
the ideal would be 64mm front x 50mm deep with a reservation of 60mm x 40mm in 2mm forward and two cuts of 5mm x 5mm at the rear to place the loss dice ........ Does this seem possible?
no solid basis, I prefer to find more ending

That would be fine, not a problem at all.  We normally make the internal hole a little bigger, to make sure your bases fit in easily.  This would mean an internal space of 61x41mm.  Would it be OK to increase the external size to 65x51mm?  This would allow a 2mm margin around all of your bases.

Also, do you want the two dice holes on the same side, or one on each side at the rear of the base?


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: bradpitre on 21 May 2016, 04:04:16 PM
Hello,
great !!, the two holes for the dice the same side would be perfect, and it would take 70 like this one
in addition, the artillery would require 30 base 65mm x 41mm with hole of 61mm x 31mm in the front and 6 holes of 5mm x 5mm distributed to the rear, this would be perfect if possible

eric


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Leon on 22 May 2016, 02:24:30 PM
Hello,
great !!, the two holes for the dice the same side would be perfect, and it would take 70 like this one
in addition, the artillery would require 30 base 65mm x 41mm with hole of 61mm x 31mm in the front and 6 holes of 5mm x 5mm distributed to the rear, this would be perfect if possible

No worries, can you send me the quantities and dimensions by email, and we'll get everything sorted for you.

 8)


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Wulf on 22 May 2016, 03:10:02 PM
Speaking of which, did you get my email Leon?


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Fenton on 22 May 2016, 03:14:48 PM
SP2 in 10mm?

Interesting idea


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Leon on 22 May 2016, 03:20:42 PM
Speaking of which, did you get my email Leon?

Yep, all received, I'll pop a reply through on Monday.

 8)


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Wulf on 22 May 2016, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: Fenton link=topic=14229.msg203157#msg203157 date=1463926488SP2 in 10mm?

Interesting idea[/quote
It works, although it's undeniably fiddly. I have played Chain of Command with 10mm too, and that's worse as it includes building interiors (SP & SP2 could as well, but I never have). The main thing to me is to simplify the minis, with all figures of one type being identical in colours, and differentiated by a single colour reference - the plume on their hat, a ring of colour around the base, etc. I'm not actually very interested in the period as history, only in the game, so uniforms of the period are just too complex for me to remember, so I just paint them something representative.

Well, I will some day... right now there's more undercoat than finished colour...



Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: ronan on 22 May 2016, 05:22:54 PM
SP2 in 10mm?

Interesting idea


I'm also thinking to go this way ( as soon as I find some time ...  :'( )
- I can reuse my terrains ( We already game CoC in 10mm)
- I like the scale ( we play 1inch = 2cm instead of 2,54cm. Easier to convert, and looks good)
- and .. I like Pendraken's mini  ;)

So I'm watching this thread.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: fred. on 22 May 2016, 07:01:34 PM
I'm a bit confused by Sharp Practice and its basing. I was assuming as a skirmish game it would be single based 28mm figures. But you guys are discussing sabots and I have seen some photos of 6mm figures on largish sabots for SP - probably 4x2 20x20mm bases.

So is SP individual based troops or is it a small unit with fugure removal, or something else?


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: jimduncanuk on 22 May 2016, 08:15:46 PM
I'm a bit confused by Sharp Practice and its basing. I was assuming as a skirmish game it would be single based 28mm figures. But you guys are discussing sabots and I have seen some photos of 6mm figures on largish sabots for SP - probably 4x2 20x20mm bases.

So is SP individual based troops or is it a small unit with fugure removal, or something else?

It's both.

Sabot bases are best though!


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Wulf on 22 May 2016, 10:13:41 PM
I'm a bit confused by Sharp Practice and its basing. I was assuming as a skirmish game it would be single based 28mm figures.
The game uses single based figures, scale is normally illustrated as 28mm, but that's not vital ( I don't know what the 'ground scale' is, but in Chain of Command it's 15mm). When groups form up into Formations, it's common, and handy, to use sabot bases to move them as a Formation. Apart from making life easier moving the minis around, Formations give bonuses to firepower.Most groups are 8 or 10 men - groups of larger or smaller numbers, including groups that have taken losses, are in the rules, but ether those don't create Formations or can just be represented on one of the sabot with gaps left. I'm going for sabot with 8 holes & 10 holes.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: fred. on 22 May 2016, 10:31:25 PM
Ta, that makes sense.

I was thinking about a few 10mm figures on a 1p or 2p coin, instead of a single 28mm figure.

The idea of being formed into a group makes sense - and therefore using a movement tray for this makes sense.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: ronan on 23 May 2016, 06:08:10 PM
Ta, that makes sense.
(...)

You mean : something makes sense, here, on this forum ?!
 :P

 ;)


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: fred. on 23 May 2016, 07:11:32 PM
Its all relative.

I've been here so long, things kind of make their own kind of sense.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: mad lemmey on 23 May 2016, 08:14:51 PM
Forbes! If any of my relatives were here I would be worried!


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: fred. on 23 May 2016, 08:46:39 PM
We're all one big happy family, here in Pendrakenland.

Like the Munsters.


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Derek H on 24 May 2016, 01:11:01 PM
Ta, that makes sense.

I was thinking about a few 10mm figures on a 1p or 2p coin, instead of a single 28mm figure.

The idea of being formed into a group makes sense - and therefore using a movement tray for this makes sense.

I thought about that but decided it wouldn't work very well.  Troops fire in two ranks in SP2 so I don't think it would look right.  Three 10mm models on a 20mm x 10mm rectangle would look excellent.  

Or I'm thinking of using my 10mm ACW stuff with six figures on a 25mm x 20mm base as two Sharp Practice men.  I'd keep track of single casulaties using markers.    

(http://s33.postimg.org/44hlhnlq7/ACW.jpg)

This would represent an eight man group.  



Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: ronan on 24 May 2016, 07:28:17 PM
(...)
This would represent an eight man group.  

But how will you represent a single man acting alone ? ( ie. a specialist ) or skirmish ?


Title: Re: Movement tray sabots SP2
Post by: Derek H on 01 June 2016, 03:07:07 PM
But how will you represent a single man acting alone ? ( ie. a specialist ) or skirmish ?

Haven#t thought of that one yet :-)  2 or 3 figures on a coin probably.