These are sitting at number 3 in our Top 10 requests, so the sculptor managed to squeeze them in before he heads off onto some ECW and WWI additions for us. We've got 5 chaps with instruments and the drum major on the left hand side. To the right we've got our drummer and the small pieces will be a dog-drawn bass drum, which will come complete with a dog of course! We'll be getting these all moulded up and released quite quickly.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1678/26620459516_d80b567cd1_z.jpg)
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Very nice Leon.
Speaking of 10mm dogs and further WW 1 releases...any chance of some Belgian mg dogcarts?
Those look great Leon! I would guess it's probably too late to throw in a guy with a "jingling Johnny" (aka a Turkish Crescent)?
Superb!
Brilliant! Will definitely have one of those.
Excellent, I will need at least two packs. With suitable modifications they will raise the spirits of my US and CS forces most rousingly!
Cheers,
Aksu
Lovely band - just what the Austrians need for sounding the retreat at Magenta & Solferino
Quote from: Leon on 26 April 2016, 01:05:03 AM
before he heads off onto some ECW and WWI additions for us
What are the ECW additions?
Open-handed pikemen please
Alan
Look brilliant! They will be on my "must have" list as soon as they are available.
Mollinary
I'll await the release of these chaps before ordering. Brilliant stuff- its these little extras that make 10mm so appealing. :-bd
Quote from: pierre the shy on 26 April 2016, 01:30:47 AM
Speaking of 10mm dogs and further WW 1 releases...any chance of some Belgian mg dogcarts?
Possibly, it's something we've been asked for a few times so we'll see if we can fit those in somewhere.
Quote from: d_Guy on 26 April 2016, 03:15:42 AM
Those look great Leon! I would guess it's probably too late to throw in a guy with a "jingling Johnny" (aka a Turkish Crescent)?
It would be unfortunately, and the costs of another figure wouldn't really be viable. With the number of sculpts involved, we'll need to shift well over 100 of them to recoup the costs already, but it's nice to have these little vignette style pieces.
Quote from: Shedman on 26 April 2016, 09:53:32 AM
What are the ECW additions?
Open-handed pikemen please
Afraid not on those, we had a discussion in another thread somewhere about those and it's not really something we're looking to do any time soon. The costs involved, needing to keep both open/closed options available, plus the domino effect into other ranges, etc. all make it a bumpy road to go down.
Great news, I'll get a band for each brigade. Don't recall ever seeing Austrian musicians of this period with the jingling jonnie.
I don't see a Beethoven figure there.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 26 April 2016, 03:48:58 PM
I don't see a Beethoven figure there.
He's the St Bernard that will pull the drum.
(remember that film?)
I remember that it existed, to evade the question a bit.
Quote from: cameronian on 26 April 2016, 03:47:22 PM
Great news, I'll get a band for each brigade. Don't recall ever seeing Austrian musicians of this period with the jingling jonnie.
I don't have a specific reference just that they were found among many European military bands of the period. The Turkish influence made me thing the Austrians might have them. Saw one a few years back with a bundeswehr band and was suitable impressed. It would just be fun to have them.
Quote from: cameronian on 26 April 2016, 03:47:22 PM
Don't recall ever seeing Austrian musicians of this period with the jingling jonnie.
I'm sorry, but it does sound as if they need to see the MO.
Quote from: fsn on 26 April 2016, 06:43:42 PM
I'm sorry, but it does sound as if they need to see the MO.
It was the Prussians who needed to see the MO - the JJ, known as the "Schellenbaum", was carried by some of their bands. For those sad enough to be interested, I can recommend "Military Music in the Campaign of 1866" by Robert Mantle, published by Helion, a slim but fascinating volume. Regarding the JJ's musical role, I quote "It had no musical role and was always carried by the tallest soldier in the regiment"!
Mollinary
And there's me thinking a jingling jonnie was something Crusader knights took along with them. (for those crusader nights)
The Brunswickers used one too.
It does seem a very germanic instrument. Perhaps the Austrians had a zither instead.
Quote from: Leman on 26 April 2016, 07:50:20 PM
It does seem a very germanic instrument. Perhaps the Austrians had a zither instead.
Only in the sewers!
Mollinary
Dundedumdedum-dede-dumdedumdedum-deedee...
Quote from: mad lemmey on 26 April 2016, 08:17:06 PM
Dundedumdedum-dede-dumdedumdedum-deedee...
The Swiss didn't actually invent the cuckoo clock, nor were they the peace-loving Arcadians that Harry claims. It's a super ad-lib (and a doubleplussuper movie), but I wish it were more accurate for those few seconds.
I imagine there will now be endless discussions on TMP about the effective range of trumpets and trombones and whether they were smooth bore or rifled! I can now see endless rule supplements about their formations, etc, etc. 🤔
An ingenious, unarmed SYW musician apparently once frightened off a Cossack by aiming his oboe at the irregular threateningly.
If anyone quotes from 'The Secret Policeman's Ball'.....I will be very cross. :P
Cheers - Phil
These look nice. Might be fun to just make a diorama with this set.
It must also be remembered that the Austrians were quoted as saying that all it would need to conquer Bosnia was a regiment of hussars and a couple of bands. So the Bosnia campaign awaits. Except that it took rather more than that in reality.
Quote from: cameronian on 26 April 2016, 03:47:22 PM
Don't recall ever seeing Austrian musicians of this period with the jingling jonnie.
Didn't realise you were that old. :P
Could try Techno. Wasn't he around during that era also? :-\
You can bog off, too, Westie. :P ;)
Cheers - Phil
Getting back to the point, how will these be marketed? Will there be multiples of some figures, and just one of others (band master, bass drummer and dog, for example)? Will a number of the existing Austrian side drummer be included? A set of 15, or 30, or another number?
Mollinary
Need a lot more for Mahler than for Mozart, of course.
Quote from: Techno on 28 April 2016, 10:18:25 AM
You can bog off, too, Westie. :P ;)
Cheers - Phil
Oboes at dawn, chaps?
Since we're talking about bands how about a 19th c pipe band? Piper, base drum, side drum, drum major - each in full dress and field dress (so eight figures) - or also throw in a goat or a Shetland pony or even an Irish wolf hound.
I can think of one C19th Austrian who definitely should have been banned.
You don't like Johann Strauss?
It's a well known fact that I just made up that Techno was the original Jinging Johnny.
It was on a sunny day in 1603, when Techno hard of the death of William Kempe, the esteemed actor of William Shakespeare's company who had basically been kicked out and later morris danced from London to Norwich in what he called his "9 days wonder". Hearing of the loss of a man he had known from a youth, (Techno was well known for handling women's around the Globe),Techno decided upon a morris dance in Kempe's honour. Not planning anything as dramatic as the 100 miles of Kempe's feat, Techno set off to the pub.
In his full morris dancing regalia (white breeches, white shirt slashed to show his amazing ... physique, black hat bedecked with flowers and tiny bells dangling from every limb) our master modeller stepped lively from his hearth and turned right.
Six months later a bedraggled and very thirsty morris dancer approached the gates of a Janissary encampment somewhere near Baghdad. This detachment of grizzled Ottoman veterans had the tiresome task of running to ground a bunch of brigands who were both elusive and cunning. The nonplussed guard confronted the wretched figure in Arabic, Turkish and French (he was a well educated chap). In despair, he summoned his comrade who tried Farsi, Persian and finally English.
"What you want Johnny?" He asked, in his English which some would consider broken, but these people should reflect their ability to greet strange folk dancers in a language not their own. Techno, for it was he, burbled something inchoherent - well more incoherent than normal, and burped sand over his feet.
"What did he say?" Asked the first guard. By some quirk of Fate and a twisted author, the first guard and the second guard, although both polylingual, had no languages in common, so conversed exclusively by sign.
"Who cares?" replied the second, and laid hand upon the weary traveller.
The next day, Techno was led to a clearing in the desert. The Janissaries concealed themselves in the ... scenery and Techno was encouraged by prods from a well concealed bayonet to show off his Molly. Well, after about three or four hours, the strange sight of a man clad in white, prancing away like barefoot puppy on a glacier, handkerchiefs flying, bells tinkling to his capering drew attention. The brigands approached, and seeing no end to the dance, were drawn nearer and nearer until at the sound of a horn the Janissaries jumped out of hiding and slew the brigands to a man.
Thus Techno became the good luck charm of the Janissary unit. He marched at their head, bells tinkling, for several years, but then his thoughts turned to home. He thought that perhaps he'd left the kettle on. He became more and more miserable, and more and more homesick, until, unable to bear it he planned his escape.
One night, very carefully, he drew off his morris gear, and arrayed it upon a contraption of thin rods and poles. Then with this dummy as distraction, the real dummy slipped from the camp and headed home. At the first crossroads, he turned right ... but what happened to Techno in Muscovy is another story.
The next day, the Janissaries, seeing their good luck mascot had disappeared were largely unconcerned. The took his morris gear on it's framework, added a few more bells and a natty red top, and carried it from that day on.
And that, my friends, is how Techno became the original Jingling Johnny.
Quote from: d_Guy on 28 April 2016, 12:46:04 PM
- or also throw in a goat or a Shetland pony or even an Irish wolf hound.
I think we all remember nights at those establishments!
Golly, M'Lord, your origin story is all together plausible! =D> =D>
Quote from: fsn on 28 April 2016, 01:02:25 PM
I think we all remember nights at those establishments!
;D
Along these same lines I'm given to understand that the Bo'ness and Kinneil Fusiliers took as their mascot a steam driven suction pump with multiple fittings.
Quote from: fsn on 28 April 2016, 12:58:48 PM
It's a well known fact that I just made up that Techno was the original Jinging Johnny.
It was on a sunny day in 1603, when Techno hard of the death of William Kempe, the esteemed actor of William Shakespeare's company who had basically been kicked out and later morris danced from London to Norwich in what he called his "9 days wonder". Hearing of the loss of a man he had known from a youth, (Techno was well known for handling women's around the Globe),Techno decided upon a morris dance in Kempe's honour. Not planning anything as dramatic as the 100 miles of Kempe's feat, Techno set off to the pub.
In his full morris dancing regalia (white breeches, white shirt slashed to show his amazing ... physique, black hat bedecked with flowers and tiny bells dangling from every limb) our master modeller stepped lively from his hearth and turned right.
Six months later a bedraggled and very thirsty morris dancer approached the gates of a Janissary encampment somewhere near Baghdad. This detachment of grizzled Ottoman veterans had the tiresome task of running to ground a bunch of brigands who were both elusive and cunning. The nonplussed guard confronted the wretched figure in Arabic, Turkish and French (he was a well educated chap). In despair, he summoned his comrade who tried Farsi, Persian and finally English.
"What you want Johnny?" He asked, in his English which some would consider broken, but these people should reflect their ability to greet strange folk dancers in a language not their own. Techno, for it was he, burbled something inchoherent - well more incoherent than normal, and burped sand over his feet.
"What did he say?" Asked the first guard. By some quirk of Fate and a twisted author, the first guard and the second guard, although both polylingual, had no languages in common, so conversed exclusively by sign.
"Who cares?" replied the second, and laid hand upon the weary traveller.
The next day, Techno was led to a clearing in the desert. The Janissaries concealed themselves in the ... scenery and Techno was encouraged by prods from a well concealed bayonet to show off his Molly. Well, after about three or four hours, the strange sight of a man clad in white, prancing away like barefoot puppy on a glacier, handkerchiefs flying, bells tinkling to his capering drew attention. The brigands approached, and seeing no end to the dance, were drawn nearer and nearer until at the sound of a horn the Janissaries jumped out of hiding and slew the brigands to a man.
Thus Techno became the good luck charm of the Janissary unit. He marched at their head, bells tinkling, for several years, but then his thoughts turned to home. He thought that perhaps he'd left the kettle on. He became more and more miserable, and more and more homesick, until, unable to bear it he planned his escape.
One night, very carefully, he drew off his morris gear, and arrayed it upon a contraption of thin rods and poles. Then with this dummy as distraction, the real dummy slipped from the camp and headed home. At the first crossroads, he turned right ... but what happened to Techno in Muscovy is another story.
The next day, the Janissaries, seeing their good luck mascot had disappeared were largely unconcerned. The took his morris gear on it's framework, added a few more bells and a natty red top, and carried it from that day on.
And that, my friends, is how Techno became the original Jingling Johnny.
X_X
Nobby.....You're an absolute and utter OIK ! (And dog meat.)
Cheers - Phil ;)
Quote from: fsn on 28 April 2016, 12:58:48 PM
............And that, my friends, is how Techno became the original Jingling Johnny.
;D ;D ;D =D>
Quote from: d_Guy on 28 April 2016, 12:46:04 PM
Since we're talking about bands how about a 19th c pipe band? Piper, base drum, side drum, drum major - each in full dress and field dress (so eight figures) - or also throw in a goat or a Shetland pony or even an Irish wolf hound.
Oh! and don't forget about Orcs. I hear he likes a triangle.
:P
A Swiss band playing Toblerones?
Quote from: mollinary on 28 April 2016, 10:44:42 AM
Getting back to the point, how will these be marketed? Will there be multiples of some figures, and just one of others (band master, bass drummer and dog, for example)? Will a number of the existing Austrian side drummer be included? A set of 15, or 30, or another number?
Yep, it'll likely be two each of the instrument guys, plus a single drum major and a single dog-drum set. I'll dig out the Austrian command mould and we can add a couple of the Austrian drummers in there, so that would be 6 pairs (12 figures), one major and one dog-drum set, so around about 15 figures-ish. I imagine they'll be slightly pricier than a usual 15-man pack (£2.50) so around £3.00 instead?
Thanks Leon, I was beginning to despair of ever seeing a post again that had anything to do with its title! :D.
That sounds a good decision. I'll certainly get you on your way with seven sets, one for each corps!
Mollinary
Skinflint! I'll see your Corps Band and raise you one band per brigade.
Quote from: cameronian on 28 April 2016, 06:54:03 PM
Skinflint! I'll see your Corps Band and raise you one band per brigade.
So you'll be buying 28 bands? Respect! Or do you only have one corps' worth of brigades?
Mollinary
I still want a Swiss band playing Toblerones, despair or no!
Until I got distracted (yet again! :)) and ran off in high spirits, I was actually serious in asking about the future possibility of a pipe band.
Only if the pipes are filled with St.Bruno.
X_X must. not. be. distracted. :)
For some inspiration I found on youtube a clip of the KuK Regimentskapelle IR4 performing a Russian tune on the Red Square. You also need a pack of Victorian civilian ladies to replicate the scene.
http://youtu.be/A1ui-wjGHE8 (http://youtu.be/A1ui-wjGHE8)
Quote from: mollinary on 28 April 2016, 07:01:26 PM
So you'll be buying 28 bands? Respect! Or do you only have one corps' worth of brigades?
Mollinary
Noooooo, I have nine brigades, 1st corps plus one other, quite enough for a good game, seven corps is just showing off :P
The Austrian band arms race begins!
Anyone want to bet how many Le Manchu needs? ;)
Quote from: d_Guy on 28 April 2016, 08:23:02 PM
Until I got distracted (yet again! :)) and ran off in high spirits, I was actually serious in asking about the future possibility of a pipe band.
Everything's possible, but it'll depend on how much demand there is for one and also, how well this first band sells.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 29 April 2016, 04:48:45 PM
The Austrian band arms race begins!
Anyone want to bet how many Le Manchu needs? ;)
Boggling !
Nice painting of Gablenz, some guns and IR 14 Von Hesse complete with band in Denmark 1864.
Leon do you have an inkling when these fine chaps will be available.
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They were master moulded on Thursday night so I'll be casting off that on Mon/Tues ready to go into production moulds. Dave's having a jolly away to Arnhem though from Wed, so we won't be doing any moulding for a week.
Looking good for Phalanx then?
Quote from: Leman on 15 May 2016, 12:13:20 PM
Looking good for Phalanx then?
But not Partizan! :'( :'(
Mollinary
Quote from: Leman on 15 May 2016, 12:13:20 PM
Looking good for Phalanx then?
Yep, no worries there.
Quote from: mollinary on 15 May 2016, 12:24:08 PM
But not Partizan! :'( :'(
Unfortunately not, but we wouldn't be at Partizan anyway! They shouldn't be long after that though.
My wife wants to buy me Mexicans for my birthday....
Which birthday ?
I'm sure I'll get them done in time for one of them. :D
Cheers - Phil
You vewwy unfwiendly person.
Oh....ahhhh....About eleven, Sir.
.... are we there yet .... are we there yet ???
Quote from: cameronian on 27 May 2016, 12:44:42 PM
.... are we there yet .... are we there yet ???
Nearly, the master figures are all cast off, but unfortunately the drumcart was done in plastic and will need a separate low-temp mould.
Leon I need lots more bandsmen but minus the dog drum (Austrians only). Can I put in an order ?
Quote from: cameronian on 13 September 2016, 08:43:00 AM
Leon I need lots more bandsmen but minus the dog drum (Austrians only). Can I put in an order ?
Yeah, that's not a problem, although they'd be pretty much the same price with or without the drums.
Price isn't the issue Leon, just seems a shame to waste them. I'll count up what I've got and give you an order tomorrow.
Quote from: cameronian on 14 September 2016, 07:43:57 AM
Price isn't the issue Leon, just seems a shame to waste them. I'll count up what I've got and give you an order tomorrow.
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