With all the recent Warband Fantasy additions, we didn't want to neglect all of our other customers, so here's half a dozen fancy new vehicles to keep you busy!
First up we've got some additions to the WWII British, with the AEC Mk I gun carrier, or 'Deacon' to its friends. These were only used in North Africa and less than 200 were produced, but it's a distinctive piece of kit with its sharp angles. Secondly, we've got the Leyland Retriever trucks, used throughout the war and of course famously by Monty himself.
Elsewhere for WWII, we previewed the Fiat 508CM a short while back and here it is! This one comes with both roof up and roof down versions, so you can pick and choose as you please. There's no personnel in it, but we are looking at getting some drivers and passengers sculpted to go in all of our vehicles.
Moving forward a little, we've expanded the Modern vehicle ranges as well. Firstly, the Lynx recon vehicle, which was used by a number of nations, including Canada and the Netherlands. And then we've got the absolute behemoth that is the FV214 Conqueror! Developed in the latter stages of WWII, the Conqueror was designed to go up against the Russian IS-3 tanks. It was produced from 1955-66 until modifications to the Centurion reduced the need for it. It's an imposing machine though and the model looks great!
WWII
British - http://www.pendraken.co.uk/World-War-II-c19/British-sc124/Page-3/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/World-War-II-c19/British-sc124/Page-3/)
BR173 AEC Mk I Gun Carrier, 'Deacon' £3.00
BR174 Leyland Retriever truck, open bed £2.60
BR175 Leyland Retriever truck, with tilt £3.00
Italian - http://www.pendraken.co.uk/World-War-II-c19/Italian-sc126/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/World-War-II-c19/Italian-sc126/)
ITA24 Fiat 508CM staff car £2.60
Modern Vehicles - http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Post-War-Modern-c20/Modern-Vehicles-sc303/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Post-War-Modern-c20/Modern-Vehicles-sc303/)
MDV23 Lynx reconnaissance vehicle £2.60
MDV24 FV214 Conqueror £4.50
And the pics:
BR173 - AEC Mk I Gun Carrier, 'Deacon'
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/BR173.JPG)
BR174 - Leyland Retriever truck, open bed
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/BR174.JPG)
BR175 - Leyland Retriever truck, with tilt
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/BR175.JPG)
ITA24 - Fiat 508CM staff car
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/ITA24.JPG)
MDV23 - Lynx reconnaissance vehicle
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/MDV23.JPG)
MDV24 - FV214 Conqueror
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/MDV24.JPG)
We hope you like them, next up will be the 2nd part of our Napoleonic British!
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Well....I like those......Especially the Conqueror ! 8)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 28 August 2015, 04:47:40 AM
Well....I like those......Especially the Conqueror ! 8)
What are you doing up at this time of the morning...! :o
I woke up.....and couldn't remember shutting the chickens away last night.....So I've been outside to check.
I had shut them away !.....Hey Ho ! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Why are you still at work ? :P ;)
Cheers - Phil
It's my day to dig at Phil...senior moment sir ?
Conqueror looks suitably menacing.
IanS
There's lovely.
I may have to order some of those rather speedily.
Conqueror and Centurion - They sort of go together like Yin and Yang, Heads and Tails, Scottish football and disappointment, Techno and injury.
Love the little Fiat ... and the Leyland Retriever ... one can never have too many softskins.
I don't do North Africa, but the Deacon looks absolutely marvellous.
The Lynx??? Um ... er ... M113 family? Excuse me as I go back to my books ...
Superb work there.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 28 August 2015, 07:42:48 AM
..senior moment sir ?
More like doing things on complete auto pilot, Ian....Not sure if that counts ? ;)
Cheers - Phil
That Deacon is superb!
OOHH! more stuff to paint, I will now live to 184
Love the Leyland Truck - Have to have some of those.
THe Deacon is technically later than I go in North Africa - I go up to and including El-Alamein, but I just might have to get a couple. I have space in my Northafica British Storage box - what more excuse do I need?
Quote from: Techno on 28 August 2015, 05:03:49 AM
I woke up.....and couldn't remember shutting the chickens away last night.....So I've been outside to check.
I had shut them away !.....Hey Ho ! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Why are you still at work ? :P ;)
Cheers - Phil
If you left the chickens out last night, what was the point in going out at dawn to check - surely they get up then ?
It was earlier than dawn, Mark !!
Just wanted to make sure that...
a)....Mr Fox couldn't get at them.....and
b).....I hadn't left the live traps where the chickens could stick their necks into the gap and get their necks broken. X_X
(Mind you..The sooner this lot have all pegged it....The sooner I can have eggs that cost less than £14 a pop.......Two bags of corn for one sodding egg over the last couple of weeks !! >:()
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: fsn on 28 August 2015, 08:16:58 AM
The Lynx??? Um ... er ... M113 family? Excuse me as I go back to my books ...
Lynx - Dutch and Canadian recce vehicle - later dutch ones had a remote turret aka Marder APC, also known as M1131/2 and M113 C&R.
IanS
I loves our little chicken friends, but I feel the wallet-pain. We're down to our last two girls only one of which is laying (the other hit the henopause a couple of months ago). The last one to shuffle off her mortal coil cost me a fortune in vets bills. I think I'd have had to charge about fifty quid an egg for it not to have crippled my overdraft...
Still, my toddler loves them and always goes out to say "HELLO CHIIIIICKEEEEENS!" and check for eggs each day :)
Great stuff :-bd
Particularly like the Deacon :D
Will you have them on the stand at Colours? Just wondering how they might scale to the Fantasy Desert Rats?! :-\ 8-}
Cheers!
Meirion
Quote from: Techno on 28 August 2015, 05:03:49 AM
Why are you still at work ? :P ;)
Long shifts at the moment getting all these releases sorted out before we hit the shows again.
Quote from: O Dinas Powys on 28 August 2015, 04:35:08 PM
Will you have them on the stand at Colours? Just wondering how they might scale to the Fantasy Desert Rats?! :-\ 8-}
We should have, yes. Let me know if you want anything putting on one side.
Quote from: Leon on 28 August 2015, 05:28:20 PM
We should have, yes. Let me know if you want anything putting on one side.
Cool 8)
I'll drop you an email with my wish list ;)
And here's one Dave quickly painted up:
Looks dead zippy, to me ! 8)
Cheers - Phil
However speedily painted, that Conqueror looks braw.
You are dogmeat, Pal ! :P
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 29 August 2015, 11:12:55 AM
dogmeat Pal ! :P
Prolongs active life - you should be ashamed Mr Lewis...
ianS
I don't get it. I am sorry but I really don't get it. Where is the market demand for the ill fated FV200 Conqueror that never saw action ?
I remember the last surviving Conquerors fitted with dummy guns and parked on ranges as hard targets. The tank was unpopular in the British Army and frankly was outperformed by Centurion Mk13. It is a footnote in the historiography of British tank development - on how not to design a heavy MTB, that the FVR&D took on board - when they produced the FV 4201.
Who will game with this model ? Is there a cabal of 1950s Cold War war gamers in the thousands of illegal immigrants making their way along the Channel Tunnel?
I am old enough to remember the Lynx. The track design was poor and it did not have great traction. Our Canadian friends lamented losing the nippy wee Ferret.
Now there is a model that would have wide appeal and lots of post war applications. The Ferret - say a 2/2 model Exported to 38 countries ...and still in use.
I know what you're saying.
I will buy a troop of Conquerors for my ImagiNation game.
I'd like to see the Ferret and the Fox.
Is this the effect the release of the Lynx was expecting?
Quote from: fsn on 30 August 2015, 02:24:44 PM
I know what you're saying.
I will buy a troop of Conquerors for my ImagiNation game.
I'd like to see the Ferret and the Fox.
Is this the effect the release of the Lynx was expecting?
Now video that takes me back...doesn't do my legs any good.
We need Pendraken to stay premier in 10mm. That means realistic requests that will sell. The Post War/Modern market is a minefield.
I have to say that the best indicator of demand is what Peter Pig achieved in 15mm. In general if the kit has been used in a real shooting war, then there is a demand for it.
I am just surprised that the Conqueror appeared when items like the M551 and M41 which have a Vietnam pedigree and in the case of the Walker Bulldog, loads of Third World applications still are on the waiting list.
I know a group keen to wargame Panama 1989 in 10mm. They will be purchasing Sheridans from somewhere.
Even a humble Toyota pick up with a .50 (a technical) will find more sales than a Conqueror.
If models only sold on actual use, numbers or even real world effectiveness there wouldn't be such a market for Tiger II's & similar ;) Let alone the legions of "what if" E- series German tanks that never made it off the drawing boards...
Quote from: toxicpixie on 30 August 2015, 08:31:24 PM
If models only sold on actual use, numbers or even real world effectiveness there wouldn't be such a market for Tiger II's & similar ;) Let alone the legions of "what if" E- series German tanks that never made it off the drawing boards...
To a point. But you are not comparing like with like Three points I would quickly make. First, the Tiger II has a certain X factor. Secondly. it was a major player in key battles such as the Ardennes (the Bulge) . If you wargame the Eastern Front from late 1944 to Berlin, either the Konigstiger or the more common Henschel turreted version is a legitimate weapon system to field in small numbers.
Thirdly, the production figures say it all. 180 Conquerors Mk1 and 2, against 1,149 Tiger II, of which 492 survived production - an estimated 657 were lost to Allied bombing of the Henschel and Porsche plants. (Source, Jentz, 1996, pp.287-288)
So, against the Conqueror the Tiger II wins hands down in terms of ...."actual use...numbers and even real world effectiveness" .Ask any Allied tanker who encountered one.
The 'what if ' MAUS however is another story.- It has as just as much X factor as a Conqueror...
All the above suggests that the Conquerer will sell - it has the same cachet as the King Tiger (which did see action but didn't prove useful, the relative few of which even made it out the assembly line :D). Both are big, hefty terrifying beasts whose looks and mystique far outweigh their battlefield utility.
Should have got more useful working tanks in Greater numbers. More Centurions please!
I suspect Conquerer will sell. Like the KT it's "cool factor" is much higher than its number or effectiveness suggest :)
If I hadn't gone for Pentomic era-ish in 6mm I'd be tempted myself with Cents & Conqs... Assuming there's a good Saracen model about :D
My Maus model has taken part in several plays of my various Kummersdorf 1945 scenarios. My gaming experience suggests it would have been every bit as much a white elephant as is often suggested serving primarily as a munitions magnet. It tends to get pasted "just in case" even when the scenario specifically says the Maus model represents two inactive vehicles and is basically scenery!
I imagine the Conqueror will sell tolerably well to modellers, Weird War II aficionados and those like me who dabble in "what if" scenarios.
Don't get me started on the Maus & the E series :D WoT has a lot to answer for!
I've had a Maus model since the days of the Kummersdorf scenario in Steel Panthers, long before World of Tanks!
Cor, I loved Steel Panthers! *nostalgia
Tried to get it running on my newish machine a couple of years ago. It was not happy, sadly.
I'll let you off, Ithoriel - not sure about everyone else ;) I do wonder if WoT is a symptom as opposed to a cause...
Quote from: toxicpixie on 31 August 2015, 11:39:20 AM
Don't get me started on the Maus & the E series :D WoT has a lot to answer for!
ooops :-[ I have one completed :'( ready to mould the turret
Dave
Quote from: toxicpixie on 31 August 2015, 10:24:49 AM
All the above suggests that the Conquerer will sell - it has the same cachet as the King Tiger (which did see action but didn't prove useful, the relative few of which even made it out the assembly line :D). Both are big, hefty terrifying beasts whose looks and mystique far outweigh their battlefield utility.
Should have got more useful working tanks in Greater numbers....AMEN !
If I hadn't gone for Pentomic era-ish in 6mm I'd be tempted myself with Cents & Conqs... Assuming there's a good Saracen model about :D
Tank warfare analysis shows that the Tiger II was a useful bit of kit in hull down defence with a few pre-prepared positions. I remember a Tank jockey from the Royal Irish Hussars lecturing us on 'how they had lifted the iDinD (defence in depth) use of the Chieftain from the Tiger II against the Soviets'. Like the Tiger II old Smokey Joe with its Leyland Multi fuel 2 stroke was a give away if it had to move too often. But if a troop were static with a covering company of infantry, with CGs, 66LAWs and GPMGs there was a confidence that you could cause problems for the hordes of T55s, APCs et al.
At some point with all this Cold War kit and presumably gamers to buy/play with them we will need a few Warsaw Pact infantry circa 1960s.
Quote from: Sunray on 31 August 2015, 02:54:41 PM
Tank warfare analysis shows that the Tiger II was a useful bit of kit in hull down defence with a few pre-prepared positions. I remember a Tank jockey from the Royal Irish Hussars lecturing us on 'how they had lifted the iDinD (defence in depth) use of the Chieftain from the Tiger II against the Soviets'. Like the Tiger II old Smokey Joe with its Leyland Multi fuel 2 stroke was a give away if it had to move too often. But if a troop were static with a covering company of infantry, with CGs, 66LAWs and GPMGs there was a confidence that you could cause problems for the hordes of T55s, APCs et al.
At some point with all this Cold War kit and presumably gamers to buy/play with them we will need a few Warsaw Pact infantry circa 1960s.
thats the plan starting from 50's onwards
Dave
The problem with nicking German doctrine is that it didn't work - either against the Russians or the Western Allies... And a primary weapon system that's only useful when on the defensive is also a bit defunct. You could do the same thing cheaper in greater quantities... If it can't manouvre and fight you WILL be either bypassed and rendered pointless or hit with enough to break you no matter the cost to the attacker.
But that's beside the point - my point is that Conquerer will probably sell well, as it's a very shiny & impressive looking price of kit, and such things tend to attract attention from gamers :)
Quote from: toxicpixie on 31 August 2015, 07:05:41 PM
The problem with nicking German doctrine is that it didn't work - either against the Russians or the Western Allies... And a primary weapon system that's only useful when on the defensive is also a bit defunct. You could do the same thing cheaper in greater quantities... If it can't manouvre and fight you WILL be either bypassed and rendered pointless or hit with enough to break you no matter the cost to the attacker.
We in BAOR had an estimated maximum of three days for clearer heads to prevail - and maintain defence in depth- and its not WW1, being bypassed if you have armour is not a hopeless situation - the WP doctrine was to attack in two combined arms echelons. We would have been buttoned up and in NBC mode as Tactical nukes would have already been used. We would have created 'Arras style' confusion but in a grand scale' ....then the mushroom clouds over was our centres of civilisation would have rendered the politics redundant.......
But that's beside the point - my point is that Conquerer will probably sell well, as it's a very shiny & impressive looking price of kit, and such things tend to attract attention from gamers :)
Tell you what mate - lets park the debate for 12 months and see the proof of the pudding.
QuoteWe in BAOR had an estimated maximum of three days for clearer heads to prevail - and maintain defence in depth- and its not WW1, being bypassed if you have armour is not a hopeless situation - the WP doctrine was to attack in two combined arms echelons. We would have been buttoned up and in NBC mode as Tactical nukes would have already been used. We would have created 'Arras style' confusion but in a grand scale' ....then the mushroom clouds over was our centres of civilisation would have rendered the politics redundant.......
That bit being in the middle of my earlier reply confused me greatly :D
I'm actually not convinced it would have gone to nukes, and despite my reservations about NATOs lack of operational doctrine I'm with the Dutch models from the seventies - I think it's quite possible NATO could have stopped the Soviet advance with conventional weaponry. Tactical doctrine was sound. It's the slightly higher level that I find frightening. NATO seems to have expected something like the 1866 with them as Prussians, and Russian troops and tanks throwing themselves in Stosstaktik style. The Russians rather expected a more 1870 approach with THEM as the Prussians, and potentially superior NATO training and gear being made irrelevant by not fighting the battles that would have been important in. There's always another corps astride your supply lines, cutting you off & overrunning your POL and artillery, whilst you're pinned to the front. Something like the second half of WW2 on the Ost Front (or indeed much of the Western Front, if with less space and higher troop densities and a compressed time period!).
Fortunately we'll never now, or whether anyone would have gone "to save the world, we had to burn the world" and pressed the button :'(
Conqueror - we'll have to see what the sales figures are like, sor sure. I would expect it to be a leading light but I'm guessing it's got enough "cool factor" that will see a goodly amount sold, and probably generate a lot of interest in early Cold War gaming and other model sales for the period. Definitely more than actually served, I suspect :D
Sorry about the confusion - I am spoilt by the MHO forum that allows one to dissect a thread in discussion. Yeah the Cold War is a fading memory. The Soviets were tactically limited in the main axis of their advance. Their divisions would have been channelled (a) across the North German Plain and into Belgium and (b) the Fulda Gap.
NATO would have depended on superior equipment and training. and that vital aspect of initiative. The Soviets knew this. Conventionally we could have checked them for 3-5 days and cut up their motorised echelons especially if they were spread over a 20-80 km front.
So we had no illusions that the Soviets would have used tactical nuclear weapons in the frontal killing grounds. Probably as high as 300 + warheads then the advance by five Soviet armies 9,000 + tanks and 9,000 + APCs. (1) The intention in the 1970s to initiate tactical nukes is confirmed by Kremlin documents.
I am glad the Cold War is over- even if Europe is left without borders.
(1) There is heated debate over the numbers of old tanks and new tanks and the exact era in question. Simon J Zaligo in 1989 put the Soviet GSFG + CGF + NGF as high as 8,025 new and 1,857 old (new was T-64 onwards). Add in the WP and adjacent districts and you have 41,000 odd MTBs . NATO had 14,000 on the ground and 2,000 (M+ 30 days)
Our tactical doctrine was good - but not that good.
Glad you like the Conqueor and Panther the early and late cupola's are missing from the pictures and I did the spare track separate so you can stick it where you want and side skirts
Just to answer a few questions
1 the Conqueror came before the M41 and M551 because its British :D :D
2 the next batch will include an M26,M41,M47 and M60 also Saracen Saladin and Ferret with a BTR 40 &60(open topped version first
3 then will come BMP 1(and Variants), ERB the French 8 wheeled thing a Leopard 1(not up armoured version ) Chieftain mk5 FV432 along with rest of CVR(T) and CVR(W)
Then lots of Air defence French AMX 30 and French apc also some big spg's M109 M110 a 2S1, 2S3
And if anyone wants some Soviet Tactics' give me a pm I have copies of Soviet Minor Tactics 1974, and a later midde 80's version so you can do an Assault river crossing right from my days in the QDG's
Martin
Oooooh! Oooooh! Aaaaahhhh! OOOOOOHHHH!!!!! FV432 ... Saracen ... and little Ferret and Spartan and Sultan and BMP1 and the ugly, ugly ERB and ... and ...
I think I'm getting a little bit over-excited. I just need to ... hang on ... wait ... I just ... wait ... a ... minute ... nearly .... nearly ... nearly.
Got it! "Modern AFVs" from 1979. Bit of a stretch to reach on that shelf.
Why? What were you thinking?
OMG!
Really!
FSN!!!
Quote from: fsn on 02 September 2015, 07:47:37 PM
Oooooh! Oooooh! Aaaaahhhh! OOOOOOHHHH!!!!! FV432 ... Saracen ... and little Ferret and Spartan and Sultan and BMP1 and the ugly, ugly ERB and ... and ...
I think I'm getting a little bit over-excited. I just need to ... hang on ... wait ... I just ... wait ... a ... minute ... nearly .... nearly ... nearly.
Got it! "Modern AFVs" from 1979. Bit of a stretch to reach on that shelf.
Why? What were you thinking?
I was going to say "You cant take him anywhere" but according to the rumours...................... X_X
I think the expression you are looking for is:
"You can't take him anywhere but twice. Second time to apologise." 😁
I want ultramodern. :d :'( :d :'(
If you do the vehicles, I'll do the infantry.
(I started a M2 Bradley IFV, I stopped in front of the sheer load of work to detail everything)
I'm even considering buying a 28mm model, please save me.
Quote from: Chad on 02 September 2015, 09:50:42 PM
I think the expression you are looking for is:
"You can't take him anywhere but twice. Second time to apologise." 😁
In his case you cant take him twice - they wont accept the apology.
IanS ;)
;D
Quote from: mart678 on 02 September 2015, 07:17:11 PM
Glad you like the Conqueor and Panther the early and late cupola's are missing from the pictures and I did the spare track separate so you can stick it where you want and side skirts
Just to answer a few questions
1 the Conqueror came before the M41 and M551 because its British :D :D
Martin
Well, there you go. Who needs a business plan based on market research and customer demand when good old honest patriotism will swing a sale?
Sounds familiar ....like British Layland marketing strategy circa 1970s.
On that basis the Ferret is also British, and was a very useful AFV. Ideal for tabletop skirmish.
The Bradley M2/3 will be there with M1, M1A1 Challenger1 and 2 and the Leopard 2
Now that is a quantum leap into the 1990s/early 21st century. These are 'modern' items in any army list - most of this kit is not in CWC as it is post-cold war.
Two observations if I may:
First, we do not have a coherent sense of 'range'. Individual models/figures sell better when part of a range. Are we simply going to have an odd ball collection of "post war" kit spanning from 1956 (Conqueror) to the 1990s (Abrams) that cannot share the same table?
Secondly, we are seriously short of modern infantry figures. The sculpts by Techno of Falklands British and Argentine infantry are superb, but are time bound to the era of the 7,62 SLR/FN rifle. If all this hardware from the late 20th century is produced, then Pendraken needs appropriate infantry to compliment them- Brits with SA80s - or even L85A2 , US infantry in Fritz with M16A4,and " Red forces with AK74.
If these issues are not addressed , Pendraken is simply creating sales for other 10mm/12mm manufactures who have the figures for the ranges.
Quote from: mart678 on 04 September 2015, 02:06:00 PM
The Bradley M2/3 will be there with M1, M1A1 Challenger1 and 2 and the Leopard 2
Excellent! :)
You are a tease. ;D I'll wager these won't appear for years. :'(
So long as it's before the Aztecs...
IanS
Quote from: Sunray on 05 September 2015, 10:59:38 AM
First, we do not have a coherent sense of 'range'. Individual models/figures sell better when part of a range. Are we simply going to have an odd ball collection of "post war" kit spanning from 1956 (Conqueror) to the 1990s (Abrams) that cannot share the same table?
This is lifted from the contents list of my modern army lists "East V West and Policeman of the World". It contains real wars and imagi-wars or what-if/easy-could-have-happened wars:
Section 1 Allies Argue 1946-1950
Section 2 THE KOREAN WAR
Section 3 THE VIETNAM CONFLICT 1946 – 1974
Section 3 1962 – 1965 "We will give it 15 or 20 years and then go again" – (Iosif Stalin in 1945)
Section 4 THE 1967 – 1988 MIDDLE EAST CONFLICTS
Section 5 1973 – 1975 "Grasping the Opportunity, a Strike During the Oil Crisis"
Section 6 THE COLD WAR TURNS HOT 1980-85
1. Group of Soviet Forces in Germany 1980-5
2. Allied Warsaw Pact or Second Line Soviet Forces 1980-5
3. British Army on the Rhine 1980-5
3. West German Army 1980-5
Section 7 THE COLD WAR ENDS DIFFERENTLY 1989
Section 8 THE 1991 – 2003 IRAQ
Section 9 ARMEGEDDON 2010
Section 6 is the only one I have completed although I have the raw material for nearly all of the others. I do this because I like to be organised before I buy. I was about to spend a fortune on minifigs for the 1980-85 period but they never came up with British infantry and then I found some Can-Do Challengers and Warrior vehicles that were not mixable. Net result is I did nothing but the lists. I'll do the others as required.
I am not saying ranges should be grouped in this way but it does show how easy it would be to group them.
Cheers, Rob :)
Armageddon 2010, must have missed that, is it available on iPlayer? ;)
SLAP !!!.....
(As requested by Rob.) :D
Quote from: ianrs54 on 05 September 2015, 12:13:27 PM
So long as it's before the Aztecs...
IanS
Can't we arrange an intervention or something for this poor, sad man?
Being serious -
on the last proper post -
Section 1 is just about covered - you need the M46, which is just a new hull for the M26 turret, rest is planned or mastered.
Section 2 - apart from Chinese Infantry this again is covered, again apart from some odd vehicles
Section 3(1) - mostly already done
Section 3(2) and 4 and 5 - this is all the same gear - honest. Plus much of it is in the 50's section.
So no where near as much as people think.
Can someone send FSN's doc to Lemmey.
IanS
Quote from: mad lemmey on 05 September 2015, 12:26:02 PM
Armageddon 2010, must have missed that, is it available on iPlayer? ;)
Can't see it.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 05 September 2015, 12:26:02 PM
Armageddon 2010, must have missed that, is it available on iPlayer? ;)
Can the moderator give this poster a slap? :P
Quote from: Sunray on 05 September 2015, 10:59:38 AM
Secondly, we are seriously short of modern infantry figures. The sculpts by Techno of Falklands British and Argentine infantry are superb, but are time bound to the era of the 7,62 SLR/FN rifle. If all this hardware from the late 20th century is produced, then Pendraken needs appropriate infantry to compliment them- Brits with SA80s - or even L85A2 , US infantry in Fritz with M16A4,and " Red forces with AK74.
Just on this point, I've said a few times that the vehicles are the time-consuming aspect of any range. The time to make the models themselves and then getting them moulded separately in low-temp moulds is a long process, so it's better to concentrate on the vehicles until we've got a good base and then infantry can be done in a matter of months. If we did all the infantry now then we'd have a lot of people buying them and asking for more vehicles, so it's a double edged sword.
Also, Techno will be doing the other modern infantry I think, but he's too busy with all the Warband stuff to do any other projects at the moment.
Leon,
you can please all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but ... wargamers aren't people and are never happy :D
Quote from: Rob on 05 September 2015, 08:25:08 PM
Can the moderator give this poster a slap? :P
I can slap myself if that helps!
I've done it for you, Will.
(Look back a page. ;))
Cheers - Phil
8)
Ow!
Oh dear! The new Field Marshall seems to have developed a taste for corporal punishment.
Far more fun punishing a Field Marshall, rather than a corporal. :D
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Leon on 05 September 2015, 08:52:00 PM
If we did all the infantry now then we'd have a lot of people buying them .
From a manufacture's perspective that is a nice problem to have. I rest my case.
Seriously Leon - Perhaps the strategic approach is to set out the stall as to where Pendraken is going. A few well sculpted figures to 'mark the turf' - 10mm 'boots on the ground' that makes a statement that Pendraken will have a modern range. I know a lot of customers who would belay purchasing figures from other manufactures if they knew that Techno was turning his hand to a well sculpted figure of modern British soldiers with SA80, and the new helmet etc. The token release of figures makes the statement that a comprehensive range is coming.
In the case of the Falklands figures - the infantry came first remember. You will find that gamers will skirmish with a few figures and whine like hell for the AFVs. So what? In business its called 'creating demand'.
Korea has scope for a shed full of generic figures in summer uniform with loads of Third World applications 1950-70s - and most of the AFVs/softskins are already out there.
Meantime the paypal account keeps churning as those figures fly off the shelves.
The elephant in the room is that Minifigs do passable SA80 British and Eastern block + Arab infantry. :o Pithead does Chinese infantry for Korea. :o
I originally was going to spend a lot of dosh on Minifigs modern kit but they did not provide SLR type British inf. I got fed up with waiting and now though I could use Pendraken Falklands Brits the urge has passed and I don't want to buy Minifigs tanks. Having compared the Pendraken T55 to the Minifigs T55 there is no contest. I will wait for Pendraken tanks. m/ :-bd
This is not always the case; I bought some Bend Sinister Nappy artillery because I got fed up with waiting for the delayed Pendraken artillery. :-[ They fit in fine with the now available Pendraken artillery and it got me started, which also meant I was able to progress and buy more and more Pendraken Nappy figures that were available. This process continues as I use other manufacturers for Austrian shako infantry and French skirmishers, which all mix in well with my preferred Pendraken figures. The only problem is Austrian Kurassiers as I don't like the Pendraken figure and I can't find any others I like on the market. :(
I think the point I am making is that you can go ahead and spend money on Pendraken tanks (as I have done) because the open market can provide the missing bits if you are desperate. :) :)
Hi Rob - has Pithead actually got Korean Chinese on sale yet? Its not on the website. The North and South Korean figures are yet to appear despite a listing ! To be honest Pithead figures don't do it for me. They might have passed muster a decade ago, but now we expect more in 10mm figures.
Minifigs have had a modern range for years - some sculpts suffer- in my opinion - from Dixon syndrome big heads.
My point is that Techno's Falklands Range raised the bar. They were accurate in detail and they looked human without the large Troll like chinless heads. Only Minifigs Vietnam (especially the finely sculpted Aussies )range comes close. In fact they are interchangeable with Pendraken Falklands.
Everyone is different, but I am at the stage in life where I will wait - as you have stated you are doing where AFVs are concerned- for quality assured Pendraken.
The point I think we are both making - if Pendraken modern British * or Korean figures , sculptured by Phil Lewis were available- we would both be clicking Paypal right now.
* Plus a few Iraqi 1990s era Republican Guard for Red Forces - Soviet helmets, caps and AK47s, RPG7s - they would rock a lot of boats.
It certainly looks as though they are as they are listed in their order form under North Korean.
As for everything else I think I agree with all of your points. :)
Quote from: Sunray on 06 September 2015, 01:16:31 PM
To be honest Pithead figures don't do it for me. They might have passed muster a decade ago, but now we expect more in 10mm figures.
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The point I think we are both making - if Pendraken modern British * or Korean figures , sculptured by Phil Lewis were available- we would both be clicking Paypal right now.
Agreed and agreed.
What is old Phil doing anyway?
Ok the method behind the madness
1/ when the Btr40/60 Brdm Bmp saladin, ferret ,and Saracen, also the pig, FV432 and Chieftain then I can forget about Britian and Russia for a while
2/ M26,M41,M47,M551 and M60 I can forget the US for a while
3/ Leopard 1, Marder, Luchs Jadpanzer Kannoe I Forget about Germany and most other nato countries for a while
4? Amx 30 and an Apc and ERB that's them done for a while
Artillery Last as if you need a gun that can fire 7 miles plus on table you are mad unless you are Soviet and then they are part of the advance
Then everything else
Do you want some Helicopters as well????
I am currently going through CWC rules to see what needs to be moved up or down the list WILL BE :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: fsn on 06 September 2015, 02:03:05 PM
Agreed and agreed.
What is old Phil doing anyway?
Talking to some complete
oik in Runcorn, to give him some 'verbal'. :P ;)
Cheers - Phil
I'm stripping a die cast helicopter to it's bone, making hard cuts, open doors, new windows...
I may share the result with you once done.
If you need any help, don't ask Phil. He's good at stripping stuff to the bone .... but not in a way you would like. :P
Quote from: Westmarcher on 06 September 2015, 03:53:16 PM
If you need any help, don't ask Phil. He's good at stripping stuff to the bone .... but not in a way you would like. :P
You should have seen what I did with a small screwdriver this morning...
That was
very close to the bone.
I was trying to pry the back off my dear old Dad's clockwork stopwatch, which had stopped working for some reason.......and I slipped....OOPS ! :-[
(Sadly this is true...
again X_X.....I seem to be going through a period of self mutilation, after months of relatively injury free sculpting, etc.)
'Least I didn't fall off the ladder, cleaning out the gutter on the big barn yesterday.
Cheers - A Muppet.
Quote from: mart678 on 06 September 2015, 02:59:53 PM
Do you want some Helicopters as well????
My experience with metal copters and other aircraft is dire. :'( (I have a still-born Vietnam project where I was attempting to build a U.S. cavalry unit. I have around 8/9 Minifigs copters and found them difficult to say the least.
1. The stands they were provided with are metal and almost useless. A better approach has to be thick wire stands.
2. I found them very difficult to paint, so much so I couldn't be arsed to persevere. (I am the world's laziest painter! I only like it when I have finished.)
3. The solid metal makes for a very top heavy model very prone to toppling over.
If they are available I would always go for a Revell type model, but Leon says they are packing it in. Hind, Hip, Lynx, Puma and Gazelle models are needed while the U.S. stuff would always be available from 1/144 manufacturers.
Not a definitive answer I know. :(
Quote from: Rob on 06 September 2015, 01:25:55 PM
It certainly looks as though they are as they are listed in their order form under North Korean.
:)
Yes, Rob you are correct. I have seen the actual figures on 'the forgotten war blog' - and despite not being on the catalogue they are indeed listed on the Order Form - not that I will be ordering any. Apart from the caricature cartoon style sculpts they are in 'winter clothing'.
Bad marketing decision; for gamers like me who have no interest gaming Korea - the topography means that figures need bases with Velcro to handle the gradients - worse still, the cocooned nature of the winter clothing precludes any application of the figures for other more interesting post war games.
Now if Pendraken sculpt and cast South Korean (ROK) and North Korean figures in summer uniforms that can be used for a host of Third World armies (1960-80) I will be sending Leon an advance order tonight....
ROK - Basic American uniforms with field caps, M1 Carbines , grease guns, Brownings , bazookas - North Koreans with distinctive field caps, and Soviet kit like DP28s.....
Quote from: Sunray on 06 September 2015, 10:45:16 AM
Seriously Leon - Perhaps the strategic approach is to set out the stall as to where Pendraken is going. A few well sculpted figures to 'mark the turf' - 10mm 'boots on the ground' that makes a statement that Pendraken will have a modern range. I know a lot of customers who would belay purchasing figures from other manufactures if they knew that Techno was turning his hand to a well sculpted figure of modern British soldiers with SA80, and the new helmet etc. The token release of figures makes the statement that a comprehensive range is coming.
I think I've said a few times on here that we're focussing on the vehicles first as those are more time-consuming. Once we've got a good selection ready and released, adding a load of basic foot would only be 6 months worth of sculpting in theory. Doing it the opposite way around, with a token release of figures, brings in more queries/requests/frustration as we don't have the required vehicles to go with them and folks are having to wait years rather than months for their chosen request to arrive.
Also as mentioned earlier, Phil is busy with the Warband expansion for the foreseeable and won't have any spare sculpting time until early 2016 I'd expect.
OOOOH !!! (Squeaks of excitement !!! <:-P <:-P <:-P)
Quote from: Leon on 06 September 2015, 10:14:15 PM
Also as mentioned earlier, Phil is busy with the Warband expansion for the foreseeable and won't have any spare sculpting time until early 2016 I'd expect.
Growing that extra pair of arms, as I type ! :D ;)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Leon on 06 September 2015, 10:14:15 PM
I think I've said a few times on here that we're focussing on the vehicles first as those are more time-consuming. Once we've got a good selection ready and released, adding a load of basic foot would only be 6 months worth of sculpting in theory. Doing it the opposite way around, with a token release of figures, brings in more queries/requests/frustration as we don't have the required vehicles to go with them and folks are having to wait years rather than months for their chosen request to arrive.
Also as mentioned earlier, Phil is busy with the Warband expansion for the foreseeable and won't have any spare sculpting time until early 2016 I'd expect.
You are the boss Leon - its your business and I am not going to presume to tell you how to run it.
But one point to remember - its the figures (uniform, headgear, weapons) that ultimately define a range and stimulate the sales. Without them you have just an assortment of vehicles that - unless you are collecting vehicles in 1/150 - will sit unsold until wargamers have decent figures to put next to them.
So its back to good old pester power to lobby for Korean and Modern figures ..... I say to hell with it, fellow forum members - Cry Havoc and release the Dogs of queries/requests/frustration ...
As one for whom WW2 Hungarian infantry are German infantry painted brown and the difference between a T34/76 and a T34/85 is "these are actually T34/76s" the idea that it matters what rifle a figure is armed with is coming as a revelation!
I think we are pretty well off for mid 1980s British with the Falkland range but admit I hanker after WarPac opponents and have some sample infantry and a BMP from another manufacturer. Luckily I have so much else to paint I suspect Dave and Leon will have a relevant modern range out before I would get to start painting anyway ...
Edward
I know I sound like a broken record, but early Cold War vehicles are completed, as are troops that can be used for them, e.g. Americans for Vietnam, and British (really Argentines with SLRs - at least as listed in the catalog) for other factions, e.g. Danes, very early Bundeswehr (late 1950s - early 1960s), etc..
Sadly though, there are no Soviets, or Warsaw Pact infantry to fight with them.
A terrible shame really, since those T-55s, PT-76s, BTR-152s, IS-3s, and BTR-50s/OT-62s could be used now, for battles from the 1950s - 1970s, and perhaps beyond in some cases.
M48s, M113s, and M125s (doubles as the M106) can be used for Americans in Europe, as well as for the early West Germans/Bundeswehr, there are Centurions, Conquerors, and Landrovers for the British, Danes, Swedish, etc.. Scorpions and Scimitars too.
Without the Soviet/W.P. troops though, all of the above are a bit superfluous for the Cold War, which is a shame, given that the new SabreSquadron rules are due out this month, and others are in the works from various manufacturers too.
Liking the Fiat 508, Can we have more Fiats, especially trucks
The 508 was widely built, this is from the wiki page on the vehicle
"The car was also assembled by Walter Motors a.s. in Czechoslovakia, in the Centralne Warsztaty Samochodowe factory in Poland, by NSU-Fiat in Germany and by "SAFAF" (rebranded in 1934 as "Simca-Fiat") in France"
So, in theory, usable by Czechs, Polish, German and French forces (And possibly Hungarian and Romanian forces as well). A panel van version would be a nice fit for some uses.
The Fiat 621 truck was another design licensed out to Poland and France. So a worthy contender to cover several forces accurately with the same model.
Quote from: Mako on 09 September 2015, 02:47:01 PM
I know I sound like a broken record, but early Cold War vehicles are completed, as are troops that can be used for them, e.g. Americans for Vietnam, and British (really Argentines with SLRs - at least as listed in the catalog) for other factions, e.g. Danes, very early Bundeswehr (late 1950s - early 1960s), etc..
Sadly though, there are no Soviets, or Warsaw Pact infantry to fight with them.
A terrible shame really, since those T-55s, PT-76s, BTR-152s, IS-3s, and BTR-50s/OT-62s could be used now, for battles from the 1950s - 1970s, and perhaps beyond in some cases.
M48s, M113s, and M125s (doubles as the M106) can be used for Americans in Europe, as well as for the early West Germans/Bundeswehr, there are Centurions, Conquerors, and Landrovers for the British, Danes, Swedish, etc.. Scorpions and Scimitars too.
Without the Soviet/W.P. troops though, all of the above are a bit superfluous for the Cold War, which is a shame, given that the new SabreSquadron rules are due out this month, and others are in the works from various manufacturers too.
At the moment we do not have any spare cash to do more than we are doing, hence after the warband are complete Techno will be doing the infantry. We do not have an unlimited pot of money >:(
Dave
EDIT: Quote fixed.
Quote from: Dave on 14 September 2015, 01:42:05 PM
At the moment we do not have any spare cash to do more than we are doing, hence after the warband are complete Techno will be doing the infantry. We do not have an unlimited pot of money >:(
Dave
I think
all most of us realise that Dave but wargamers are always looking that set of figures that fills the gap in a range (often a gap only they can see!) or that creates a range in the first place and because money and sculpting talent are limited we all tend to do our best to divert attention and resources to "our" figures.
If Pendraken didn't make such exceedingly nice figures and if they weren't so delightfully happy to engage with their customers you wouldn't get the clamour for this figure or that, seen here. However frustrating it must be to have FK banging on about Aztecs, fsn about Centurions, weewars about 1809 or that oik ithoriel bleating about Soviet 208mm tracked artillery it is, in it's way, a mark of our respect for and love of Pendraken Miniatures.
Victim of your own success Dave :)
"There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Quote from: Ithoriel on 14 September 2015, 02:02:37 PM
I think all most of us realise that Dave but wargamers are always looking that set of figures that fills the gap in a range (often a gap only they can see!) or that creates a range in the first place and because money and sculpting talent are limited we all tend to do our best to divert attention and resources to "our" figures.
If Pendraken didn't make such exceedingly nice figures and if they weren't so delightfully happy to engage with their customers you wouldn't get the clamour for this figure or that, seen here. However frustrating it must be to have FK banging on about Aztecs, fsn about Centurions, weewars about 1809 or that oik ithoriel bleating about Soviet 208mm tracked artillery it is, in it's way, a mark of our respect for and love of Pendraken Miniatures.
Victim of your own success Dave :)
"There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
I wish I could do everything straight away >:(
Dave
That's why I funded my major requests myself! ;) :P
Quote from: Dave on 14 September 2015, 01:42:05 PM
, hence after the warband are complete Techno will be doing the infantry.
Really looking forward to doing those !
It'll be so quiet, not having to use the Dremmel so often, too. ;)
Quote from: Dave on 14 September 2015, 02:45:50 PM
I wish I could do everything straight away >:(Dave
Ditto, Dave. X_X
Cheers - Phil (Of the burnt out burrs.)