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Title: AWI heads?
Post by: clibinarium on 04 August 2010, 03:45:12 PM
I was looking through what needs to be done in the AWI range, and the problem of obscure troops keeps reoccurring. There are some troops which appear in so small numbers that even someone doing battles at 1:10 ratio would not need more than a handful. For instance the more unusual types of light company headgear for the British. i did a pack to cover the 5th's company, but realisticaly I can't do that for all the different companies.
What I could do however, since all their uniforms are the same, is do a sprue of heads, which people could use to convert their light infantry. Many, many of the the variations of AWI troops are not much more than headgear.
This does involve being able to remove and replace the heads of the ordinary figures, i.e. to cut the head off and drill a hole for the new head. As a sculptor this is my everday work, but perhaps not everyone would be inclined to do this. I just wanted to know how many people would use such sprues if they were produced.

If most votes are for yes, that does not necessarily mean they will be produced, since I'd have to see if Pendraken thought it was viable production wise.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: lentulus on 04 August 2010, 04:04:25 PM
I have done head swaps with Pendraken figures, and no-one would call me dextrous.  Now "drill a hole" sounds ambitious - the best I could do was get a clean, flat join and let the superglue do its stuff.

If pendraken wanted to do a test run, I would be willing to be a guinea pig; photos of gnarled arthritic fingers supplied on request.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: republic of tolworth on 04 August 2010, 07:46:42 PM
Sounds like a great idea to me.

One of the basic hand drills is easy to use and usualy gets a wonderful clean finish. Small section of rod(I think model zone do these) and a good stable conversion is done!

Great idea Clib go for it 8)


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Dazza on 04 August 2010, 09:27:00 PM
Pendraken could also sell the drill and rod :)

LEON.......  another market for ya :P



Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: goat major on 04 August 2010, 09:33:01 PM
count me in!! great idea  :D


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: clibinarium on 05 August 2010, 01:05:51 AM
I have done head swaps with Pendraken figures, and no-one would call me dextrous.  Now "drill a hole" sounds ambitious - the best I could do was get a clean, flat join and let the superglue do its stuff.

The heads would be on sprues, so you could cut them off and attach them flat with superglue. I personally wouldn't since they are in some (small) danger of being pinged off, but if it works for you then I don't see a problem with doing them that way.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Jagger on 05 August 2010, 01:58:08 PM
You can make a small indentation or hole using a sharp pointed knife and rotating the point.  It is tricky but can be done.  I have considered a drill but have no idea who would sell a tiny, tiny drill.  Are they manual drills or electric drills?

I like the whole concept of replacing heads to expand a line.  One of the big problems with the 10mm world, in general-not AWI, is the lack of choice and variety in too many periods.   Anything that expands the choice and variety of poses is welcome by me.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: morrigan on 05 August 2010, 02:55:10 PM
That would work for me.

I have used a dremel with a very fine cutter to replace the cast on ECW pikes with longer nylon broom bristles. Time consuming but it worked well. Heads shouldn't be a problem.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: YORSTONS on 05 August 2010, 03:14:36 PM
Count me in too. I have some very,very small drill bits i bought from my local model shop which i think would do the job, so i will have to give it a go and see how easy it is.
I am not sure what size they are but i use them for drilling holes in my langton dutch war ships.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: clibinarium on 05 August 2010, 03:45:09 PM
You can make a small indentation or hole using a sharp pointed knife and rotating the point.  It is tricky but can be done.  I have considered a drill but have no idea who would sell a tiny, tiny drill.  Are they manual drills or electric drills?

Mirco drills are relatively easy to get, and are very useful for lots of modelling jobs. It can be tricky to get the hang of, but once you do they are easy to use.  Here's a pic of the Foundry one (not that I am suggesting either that you buy or don't buy from Foundry)
(http://foundryarchive.co.uk/_images/thumbs/TOOL022_1267113637_380x250.png?prodid=12609)


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: 17-21l on 05 August 2010, 03:55:23 PM
Yip - fine idea, I mean anything for a bit of variety, and the ACW range is fab, so aditions for a small amount of work?? - cant winge.  Ive done a few conversions on some 10mm Naps, head swops, but they are ofeten knocked off ,or just drop off due to crap jobs, so the idea of drilling - good idea, would make it a lot stabler ( if such a word exists?)
So gin - an dea it, utll be toppa

 :D

( or - you could just get on with doing the Napoleonic range !!  ;))


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: republic of tolworth on 05 August 2010, 07:53:45 PM
That's the drill I use.
 Fine enough to drill a hole in a 10mm figs hand and turn a sword waver in to a banner man no prob.
 Necks of 10mm are pretty easy with one these. ;)


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Jagger on 06 August 2010, 08:28:02 PM
Thanks for the advice on the drill bit set.   I will check into it.

Does Pendraken sell dollies if someone wanted to experiment with some scuplting?


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Leon on 06 August 2010, 11:06:19 PM
Thanks for the advice on the drill bit set.   I will check into it.

Does Pendraken sell dollies if someone wanted to experiment with some scuplting?

We could send you some out if you wanted to have a go?  Remind me in an email and we'll pop some in the post for you.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: republic of tolworth on 06 August 2010, 11:56:45 PM
OOoo must say I'm tempted to have a go at sculpting :-\


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Jagger on 07 August 2010, 12:38:32 AM
Thanks Leon.  I have an order which hasn't shipped out yet.  Perhaps you could send them with the order.  I will send you an email a little later tonight with my order information.
Thanks again!

Have you considered adding green stuff and some scuplting tools to your line?


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Leon on 07 August 2010, 03:49:56 AM
Thanks Leon.  I have an order which hasn't shipped out yet.  Perhaps you could send them with the order.  I will send you an email a little later tonight with my order information.
Thanks again!

Have you considered adding green stuff and some scuplting tools to your line?

I'll keep an eye out for it.

I might look at adding things like that to my little sideline at some point.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Sunray on 07 August 2010, 12:13:56 PM
I have had this conversation with David, and I think a sprue of 'heads' is a great idea. I have already done  a range of 'clean cut' head swaps in 10mm, and ...based on my experiences of 15mm Peter Pig, the "neck" and drill method works well.

And ...if you work in 10mm..you already love the fiddly things in life... Lets see how the AWI range works and then roll out to WW2/Post war- a modest range of helmets, berets and caps please.

 


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Minenfeld on 07 August 2010, 12:22:21 PM
A yes from me. You could drill  a hole in the head and the neck of the headless figure, and glue a small pin of piano wire between the two, should do the trick, if thin enough !


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: republic of tolworth on 07 August 2010, 01:15:53 PM
Okay just thought I'd have a quick go at the conversion thang.

Cut top of head of an AWI American gun crew and put a grenadiers mitre on from the casualty sprue.

Few twists of the drill and tiny piece of copper rod and bobs your grenadier.

Looks nice. I now have a new grenadier type figure :D I 'm sure once the paint is on it will blend in with the others fine, May use him for fleeing trooper.

I am now even more eager for the thought of heads on sprues ;) ;D


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: toolsey on 08 August 2010, 10:58:15 AM
Hello
I requested separate heads for various ranges a couple of months ago and it was taken as though i was some kind of idiot so i have never posted since.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Leon on 08 August 2010, 04:30:59 PM
Hello
I requested separate heads for various ranges a couple of months ago and it was taken as though i was some kind of idiot so i have never posted since.

I remember the thread, and I don't think the idea was taken that badly, just that it would be very fiddly.  I know I said at the time it wouldn't be something we'd be looking to do, but if Clib can put some together and people want to try, then fair enough.

The recent one that Derek H did for the Vietnam M60 figure was great, and good enough to go into production.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: toolsey on 08 August 2010, 05:14:46 PM
Cheers Leon

I didnt mean your reply to me, some wag started a thread for seperate hands if i remember, but i still think it would be a good idea for seperayr heads for WW1 and WW2


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Leon on 08 August 2010, 05:44:01 PM
I didnt mean your reply to me, some wag started a thread for seperate hands if i remember, but i still think it would be a good idea for seperayr heads for WW1 and WW2

I remember the separate hands thread as well!

We'd never considered separate heads really, but we'll see if Clib can come up with something, and how easy to use they are, and then we can possibly look at doing it for other ranges.

 8)


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: 17-21l on 08 August 2010, 11:37:07 PM
Yes It was me who did the seperate hands gag - haway man it was git funny at the time - and still is - ha ha ah ha ha ha , aye but hey what a good idea when you think about the seperate heads - I mean I have done conversions in the past so -

What about seperate types of boots - thigh high , ankle putties -
 ;) :D :D ;D some WAG will suggest this in a few months and then I will claim baggsies on the idea  rg arg

S


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: maciek on 09 August 2010, 08:55:06 AM
Great idea, Clib.
You could also so it in LoA range. e.g full tricorn heads to adapt some of your figures to WSS.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: macbride95 on 18 August 2010, 09:48:07 AM
As someone said it before I already use the hats of the casualty pack to make some different troops but it requires more work than seperate heads would IMO. I do not think it is a silly idea to consider 10mm as 28mm: some guys want a finished product but you will always find some mad guys just like I am  ;D who would like to paint nearly every troop possible; so spare heads with hat variants would be cool  :)


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Bill Braham on 24 January 2016, 01:47:18 PM
It is a pity that the idea of sprues of separate heads never materialised for the AWI range.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Leman on 24 January 2016, 02:50:13 PM
I converted some 10mm ACW troops to FPW dismounted French dragoons using head swaps. I regularly do head swaps on my Peter Pig figures using a pin vice.


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: d_Guy on 24 January 2016, 04:14:03 PM
Like Leaman I do a few head swaps (as well as arms with weapons) on my ECW guys. I'd posted about this over a TMP a few(?) months ago. I am not skilled so I generally end up wrecking three of four figures (it is all in the precision of the cuts so I stabilize the figures with modeling clay). I don't drill or pin, just superglue then add a tiny bit of green stuff. As the OP said you can "ping off" a head (which I found out the first time I manhandled one of the figures) but so far the GS patch seems to work.

It would be great if Pendraken did extra heads, etc but I really don't mind buying an extra bag of figures to canabilize - Takes me back to my early Airfix days  :)


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: fred. on 24 January 2016, 09:25:24 PM
It is a pity that the idea of sprues of separate heads never materialised for the AWI range.

There is a separate hat sprue with the AWI casualties. Don't know if this helps


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: paulr on 24 January 2016, 10:10:52 PM
Does anyone have a picture of what is on the separate hat sprue

I have found this picture of the casualties...

(http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/Andymacs/15%20-%2010mm%20AWI%20Speacial%20Packs%20-%20Pendraken/AWX1.jpg)


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: fred. on 24 January 2016, 10:34:13 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3-3W-rWTzJM/VqVRRRir26I/AAAAAAAAFog/ytFW0rX44zE/s1024-Ic42/IMG_0425.JPG)

I think the top two sprues are the same - and I am assuming (guessing!!) that I have left all the original stuff in the bag...


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: fred. on 24 January 2016, 10:37:26 PM
I think the top sprue is grenadier's mitre, tricorn with feather, tricorn, small mitre
bottom sprue, floppy hat with upturned brim, tricorn, tricorn, and tarleton?


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: paulr on 24 January 2016, 11:24:20 PM
Thanks Fred


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Bill Braham on 25 January 2016, 02:26:00 PM
Likewise thanks Fred I had not seen the spare headgear - alas I was hoping for more in the way of cap-hats and the kind of thing that would help with making yp rebel light infantry and some continentals such as the Penn Line in 1780-81. Still these do have their uses!


Title: Re: AWI heads?
Post by: Leman on 25 January 2016, 05:00:17 PM
It does mean that most of  the casualties can be used for the SYW.