By Fire & Sword - divisional lists

[nikharwood]

My lists - at divisional level, with indicative number of figures / base & the Pendraken codes I'll be using:

Polish-Lithuanian: FSP 29

Divisional Commander FSP 3

Crown Cavalry Regiment: FSP 10
Colonel
2 x Cossack = 6 bases = 24 figures (P12)
2 x Pancerni = 6 bases = 24 figures (P2)
1 x Winged Hussars = 3 bases = 12 figures (P16)

Dragoon Regiment: FSP 3
Colonel
4 x Dragoons (understrength) = 8 bases cav = 32 figures (P13)

Volunteer Regiment: FSP 3
Colonel
3 x Volunteers = 9 bases = 27 figures (P2 / P3)
1 x Volunteer (understrength) = 2 bases = 6 figures (P2 /P3)

Mercenary Regiment: FSP 3
Colonel
4 x Musketeers = 8 bases = 80 figures (P7 / P10)

Artillery: FSP 5
Colonel
Light Artillery = 3 guns (P14)
Medium Artillery = 1 gun (P15)

Divisional support: FSP 2
2 x Polish-Hungarian infantry = 6 bases = 60 figures (P4 / P5)

Ottoman Empire: FSP 33

Divisional Commander: FSP3

Provincial Force European Provinces: FSP 4
Aga
1 x Besli cemaat = 3 bases = 12 figures (OT5)
3 x Besli cemaat (understrength) = 6 bases = 24 figures
Azab warband = 5 bases = 50 figures (OT11 / OT12)

Feudal Sipahi Sanjak European Provinces: FSP 5
Sanjakbey
4 x Sipahi = 12 bases = 48 figures (OT4)

Feudal Sipahi Sanjak European Provinces: FSP 5
Sanjakbey
4 x Sipahi = 12 bases = 48 figures (OT4)

Janissary Regiment: FSP 3
Foot Aga
4 x Janissary = 12 bases = 120 figures (OT9 / OT14)

Mirza's Chambul: FSP 4
Mirza
2 x Tartar = 6 bases = 24 figures (OT7)
2 x Tartar rabble (understrength) = 4 bases = 12 figures (OT7)

Artillery: FSP 5
Colonel
Light guns = 3 bases (OT17)
Medium gun = 1 base (OT18)

Divisional support: FSP 4
Tufekci cemaat = 4 bases = 40 figures (OT13)
Silahdir battaile = 6 bases = 24 figures (OT3)

Add in some assorted command packs & we're pretty much done...I could do with some Polish Dragoon dismounted, but will fudge that once I see what the Polish Dragoons look like - could be some ECW dragoons maybe, or some of the (old range?) LoA dragoons?

[OldenBUA]

Hi Nik, looking good, I would say, and should give you some good options. I've been looking at the various ranges myself lately, with an eye to figuring out how they would work.

Some remarks:

Crown Cavalry Regiment: FSP 8 Should be 10 FSP, I think? 6 for the base level, 1 for 2 extra bases of Cossacks style cav, and 3 for the Hussars? Hussars are 1 FSP for each base!

2 x Pancerni = 6 bases = 24 figures (P3) Should be code P2, I suppose?

4 x Musketeers = 8 bases = 80 figures (P7 / P10) I'm not sure if P7 is the best choice. Maybe YW1 Musketeer would work better?

Light Artillery = 3 guns (P14) / Medium Artillery = 1 gun (P15) I suppose this would work. But light artillery should be 3 pounders, and medium artillery 6 pounders. I think P14 are the 6 pounders, and P15 heavier guns (9 pounder/12 pounder). There are light guns available from Pendraken as well, so MAL14 and MAL15 should work fine for the artillery, and I suppose Leon could get you some Polish crew for these.

2 x Polish-Hungarian infantry = 6 bases = 60 figures (P4 / P5) Not sure on P5, as the unit should be mostly muskets. But it would make a more varied unit, which is nice.

And I see that you plan to vary the number of figures on each base a little, should give some good results!

Alex

[nikharwood]

Hi Nik, looking good, I would say, and should give you some good options. I've been looking at the various ranges myself lately, with an eye to figuring out how they would work.

Some remarks:

Crown Cavalry Regiment: FSP 8 Should be 10 FSP, I think? 6 for the base level, 1 for 2 extra bases of Cossacks style cav, and 3 for the Hussars? Hussars are 1 FSP for each base!

2 x Pancerni = 6 bases = 24 figures (P3) Should be code P2, I suppose?

4 x Musketeers = 8 bases = 80 figures (P7 / P10) I'm not sure if P7 is the best choice. Maybe YW1 Musketeer would work better?

Light Artillery = 3 guns (P14) / Medium Artillery = 1 gun (P15) I suppose this would work. But light artillery should be 3 pounders, and medium artillery 6 pounders. I think P14 are the 6 pounders, and P15 heavier guns (9 pounder/12 pounder). There are light guns available from Pendraken as well, so MAL14 and MAL15 should work fine for the artillery, and I suppose Leon could get you some Polish crew for these.

2 x Polish-Hungarian infantry = 6 bases = 60 figures (P4 / P5) Not sure on P5, as the unit should be mostly muskets. But it would make a more varied unit, which is nice.

And I see that you plan to vary the number of figures on each base a little, should give some good results!

Alex

Thanks Alex - I've edited the maths FSP now! And, yep, that's a typo on the Pancerni!   Corrected above now...

For the Musketeers, I thought adding some P7 because of the note on p216: "In 1670s, berdishes that could also serve as musket supports were introduced to foreign contingent infantry regiments" - just to break the look up a bit really...What do you think?

Good point re the artillery - I'll ask that nice Leon to do that for me (similarly for the Ottoman artillery...)

The P5 (10th man Hajduk) is absolutely just to add a bit of variety  

[OldenBUA]

For the Musketeers, I thought adding some P7 because of the note on p216: "In 1670s, berdishes that could also serve as musket supports were introduced to foreign contingent infantry regiments" - just to break the look up a bit really...What do you think?

Depends a bit on if P7 looks more Eastern or Western. My thinking uis that Mercenary regiments should be Western type in dress/uniform (think Thirty Years war/ECW types). I think that P7 is more Eastern looking. There are a lot of other Western type musketeers to choose from. YW1 is one option, but you could use codes from the ECW, or maybe from the GNW Swedish (GNS2), or the new LOA ranges? Depends a bit on how they match up with the Polish range, I suppose. Maybe Leon can tell?

P.S. I was wondering, do you still have those ECW armies from Pendraken? I think a lot of these could work for mercenary regiments.

[nikharwood]

Depends a bit on if P7 looks more Eastern or Western. My thinking uis that Mercenary regiments should be Western type in dress/uniform (think Thirty Years war/ECW types). I think that P7 is more Eastern looking. There are a lot of other Western type musketeers to choose from. YW1 is one option, but you could use codes from the ECW, or maybe from the GNW Swedish (GNS2), or the new LOA ranges? Depends a bit on how they match up with the Polish range, I suppose. Maybe Leon can tell?

Good call - let's wait until he gives us his thoughts  

Also his opinion on dismounted Dragoons would be useful too...

P.S. I was wondering, do you still have those ECW armies from Pendraken? I think a lot of these could work for mercenary regiments.

Certainly do...that's a good point...

[Steve J]

Looks good Nik and still trying to resist this lovely book, which that other pimp Craig has tempted me with .

[nikharwood]

Looks good Nik and still trying to resist this lovely book, which that other pimp Craig has tempted me with .

Resistance is futile, Steve...just order the book & I'll send the nurse over later 

[OldenBUA]

Say Nik, since you're doing Polish and Ottomans, you are looking at the Ottoman conquest of Podolia. Which starts with the siege of Kamianets-Podilskyi.



Fascinating place, a city built in a near perfectly circular loop of river, with a castle (and newer fortifications) at the only entrance point. What I found particularly telling is the big Polish Catholic cathedral in the city centre. Which has a minaret attached. Which is topped by a golden statue of the Virgin Mary.

[Steve J]

Now that is one nice looking castle complex . A few years ago we visited Czesky Krumlov in the Czech Republic which I believe is a World Heritage site. Amazingly well preserved largely due to the fact that under Communist rule nothing was spent on the town. I imagine this is true of large parts of the former Soviet Bloc. Sadly in Bristol the City planners did far more damage than the Luftwaffe .

[Hertsblue]

Say Nik, since you're doing Polish and Ottomans, you are looking at the Ottoman conquest of Podolia. Which starts with the siege of Kamianets-Podilskyi.



Fascinating place, a city built in a near perfectly circular loop of river, with a castle (and newer fortifications) at the only entrance point. What I found particularly telling is the big Polish Catholic cathedral in the city centre. Which has a minaret attached. Which is topped by a golden statue of the Virgin Mary.

That looks like there's been a fair bit of Carcasson-style rebuilding. Interestingly, the base of the castle rests on something that appears to be a much later ravelin. (Just by the onlooker's head)

[OldenBUA]

That looks like there's been a fair bit of Carcasson-style rebuilding. Interestingly, the base of the castle rests on something that appears to be a much later ravelin. (Just by the onlooker's head)

I think any castle that stood for a couple of centuries has had some minor and major rebuilding at one point or another, and this is no exception. The curtain wall in the centre that ends in mid-air is also a telling point. At the far right of the picture you can see some of the 16th/17th century additions. More info here.

[Hertsblue]

I think any castle that stood for a couple of centuries has had some minor and major rebuilding at one point or another, and this is no exception. The curtain wall in the centre that ends in mid-air is also a telling point. At the far right of the picture you can see some of the 16th/17th century additions. More info here.

Yes, but Carcasson was almost totally rebuilt in the eighteen seventies.

[nikharwood]

That's a great looking castle...might have to add some mortars in 

[OldenBUA]

For the Musketeers, I thought adding some P7 because of the note on p216: "In 1670s, berdishes that could also serve as musket supports were introduced to foreign contingent infantry regiments" - just to break the look up a bit really...What do you think?

Had another look at this, and you're probably better off with P7, if it looks something like this:



Since you're looking at the late period (1670), the 'foreign regiments' were mostly Polish, and used Polish dress. More information here.

[nikharwood]

Cool - order went in earlier today - this:

2 x P2 Cossack pancerni
2 x P3 Polish horse archer
2 x P4 Hajduk musketeer
6 figures from P5 Hajduk 10th man, halberdier
10 figures fromP7 Zaporozain Cossack foot, berdische axe
1 x P8 Foot command
2 x P9 Mounted general (2)
2 x P10 Musketeer, fir cap, firing
1 x YW1 Musketeers
1 x P11 Mounted command
2 x P12 Mounted cossack
2 x P13 Mounted dragoon
1 x MAL14 3 pdr gun + Polish crew
1 gun from MAL15 6pdr + Polish crew
2 x P16 2 winged hussar 8
   
1 x OT1 mounted command 14
1 x OT2 foot command
2 x OT3 Silhidars cavalry lance
4 x OT4 Sipahis cavalry lance
3 x OT5 Akinji Akinci cavalry bows javelins
1 x OT7 Tartar auxiliaries cavalry bow sabre
2 x OT9 Janissaries musket
1 x OT11 Azabs bow
1 x OT12 Vassal spearmen
2 x OT13 Mercenary Tufekci musketeers
2 x OT14 Janissaries musket pose 2
1 x MAL14 3pdr + Ottoman crew
1 gun from MAL15 6pdr + Ottoman crew

Looking forward to this lot - I can see more armies at some point too