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« on: 01 November 2019, 10:29:23 PM »

Some new releases for the modern gamers now with the Saladin and Saracen armoured cars now available!   These were both in production from the early 1950's through to the 1990's and were used by a variety of countries across the world, with some of them still in active use today.  From Africa, Yom Kippur, Northern Ireland and the Gulf War, there's a whole list of games/conflicts that will find a home for these!

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MDV71   FV601 Saladin     2.95
MDV72   FV603 Saracen     2.95


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MDV71 - Saladin



MDV72 - Saracen
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« Reply #1 on: 01 November 2019, 11:45:03 PM »

Cool sculpts
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« Reply #2 on: 02 November 2019, 12:08:44 AM »

For a moment I thought there might finally be some Mameluke proxies available. Then I took my Napoleonic blinkers of and saw the real world. I have quickly put them back on again...
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« Reply #3 on: 02 November 2019, 01:10:36 AM »

For a moment I thought there might finally be some Mameluke proxies available. Then I took my Napoleonic blinkers off and saw the real world. I have quickly put them back on again...

Not crusades, alas.
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« Reply #4 on: 02 November 2019, 07:10:36 AM »

Nice !!  Smiley

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« Reply #5 on: 02 November 2019, 08:45:13 AM »

Them's pretty!  drooling drooling drooling

If only there were a big, beautiful, hunk of armour that could go with them ... oh wait! There is!
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« Reply #6 on: 02 November 2019, 12:19:51 PM »

That makes my day!  Smiley Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: 02 November 2019, 01:02:26 PM »

If only there were a big, beautiful, hunk of armour that could go with them ... oh wait! There is!

No there aint, there be an obsolete tank, cent something, WE WANT Chieftains 
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« Reply #8 on: 03 November 2019, 01:39:48 AM »

Nice!  Smiley Always thought the Saladin was how a heavy armoured car 'should' look!  Cool The Saracen...maybe not  Grin ...but I remember convoys of the things passing through en-route to Otterburn Ranges. Oh lord...also remember TA arty convoys with towed 25pdrs!  Cry
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« Reply #9 on: 03 November 2019, 09:47:26 AM »

Nice!  Smiley Always thought the Saladin was how a heavy armoured car 'should' look!  Cool The Saracen...maybe not  Grin ...but I remember convoys of the things passing through en-route to Otterburn Ranges. Oh lord...also remember TA arty convoys with towed 25pdrs!  Cry

In terms of "heavy" AC, how effective was the 76mm gun?   Could it engage a Soviet T34 or T54 ?


 The little Panhard packed a 90mm on a body not a lot larger than a ferret.

A version of the  76mm was retained in the Scorpion, yet on export both benefited  from retro fitting of a 90mm. 
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« Reply #10 on: 03 November 2019, 10:38:53 AM »

Well when Syria invaded Jordan, many years ago a Saladin took out 2-3 T54/5. Hesh rounds are very nasty things. By the early 90's it was not much good, so the Scorpions were refited with Fox turrets.

In period the gun was good enough. There are some oddities - for instance the FGR border police used Saladin's with no MG's.

WE also need Ferrets - Mk 4 and Mk 4 with Vigilant, a "Saldin" troop had 2 heavys, 1 or 2 standard ferrets, or 1 ferret with a pair of Vigilants on the turret, and 2 more stowed in place of one of the spare wheels.

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« Reply #11 on: 03 November 2019, 12:11:57 PM »

Was the Saracen around in the late 50's, early 60's ?

I vaguely remember having a Dinky Toy that resembled that one. (False memory syndrome ?)

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« Reply #12 on: 03 November 2019, 01:06:31 PM »

Mid 50's, as the Malayan emergency needed APC's - there are 4 vehicles in the family - the two released, the rather inflamable Stalwart (used as a limber for the artillery !!) and the Salamnder fire engine for the RAF. Saladin was considerably delayed by priority being given to Saracen. Also there are lots and  lots variants of Saracen, raised roof command ones, open topped ones, and radar vehicles.

They lasted til the early 80's and were replaced by Saxons, mainly for Northern Ireland.

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« Reply #13 on: 03 November 2019, 04:50:52 PM »

Well when Syria invaded Jordan, many years ago a Saladin took out 2-3 T54/5. Hesh rounds are very nasty things. By the early 90's it was not much good, so the Scorpions were refited with Fox turrets.

In period the gun was good enough. There are some oddities - for instance the FGR border police used Saladin's with no MG's.

WE also need Ferrets - Mk 4 and Mk 4 with Vigilant, a "Saldin" troop had 2 heavys, 1 or 2 standard ferrets, or 1 ferret with a pair of Vigilants on the turret, and 2 more stowed in place of one of the spare wheels.

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Thanks Ian.  Yes the HESH was effective in the days of conventional armour. 
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« Reply #14 on: 03 November 2019, 11:04:15 PM »

...WE WANT Chieftains  

Item 3 on Martin's schedule:

1. Saladin/Saracen - DONE!
2. Trucks -
US - M35
UK - Bedford RL
Russia - ZIL 131
3. MBT's -
UK - Chieftain
     - FV432
Russian - T-64
Germany - Leopard I
France - AMX-30

WE also need Ferrets - Mk 4 and Mk 4 with Vigilant...

No plans for further Ferrets at the moment, the Mk 1/2 in the catalogue will have to serve as a proxy for the timebeing!
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